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And people don’t like this. Something being logical doesn’t mean people have to accept it. Also AI has been basically useless every time I tried it except converting some struct definitions across languages or similar tasks, it seems very unlikely that it would boost productivity by more than 10% let alone 400%.
What AI coding tools/models have you been using?
Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
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Re: Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Too often people pull huge libraries for 50 lines of code. I used to be one of those people. It just made sense to me when I was (I still am to some extent) more naïve than I am today. But then I also used to think "it makes sense for everyone to eat together at a community kitchen of some sort instead of cooking at home because it saves everyone time and money" but that's another tangent for another day. The reaso…
Also there are people occasionally poisoning the community pot, don't forget that bit.
Re: Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
#183Changing domain to writing and images and video you can see LinkedIn is awash with everyone generating everything by LLMs. The posting cadence has quickened too as people shout louder to raise their AI assisted voice over other people’s.
We’ve all seen and heard the AI images and video tsunami
So why not software (yet but soon)??
Firstly, Software often has a function and AI tool creations cannot make that work. Lovable/Bolt etc are too flakey to live up to their text to app promises. A shedload of horror debugging or a lottery win of luck is required to fashion an app out of that. This will improve over time but the big question is, by enough?
And secondly, like on LinkedIn above: perhaps the standards of the users will drop? LinkedIn readers now tolerate the llm posts, it is not a mark of shame. Will the same reduction in standards in software users open the door to good-enough shovelware?
Re: Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
#184These claims wouldn't matter if the topic weren't so deadly serious. Tech leaders everywhere are buying into the FOMO, convinced their competitors are getting massive gains they're missing out on. This drives them to rebrand as AI-First companies, justify layoffs with newfound productivity narratives, and lowball developer salaries under the assumption that AI has fundamentally changed the value equation. This is my…
Re: Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
#185Multiple things can be true at the same time: 1. LLMs do not increase general developer productivity by 10x across the board for general purpose tasks selected at random. 2. LLMs dramatically increases productivity for a limited subset of tasks 3. LLMs can be automated to do busy work and although they may take longer in terms of clock time than a human, the work is effectively done in the background. LLMs can get me…
> Stop using a hammer on nails. sorry, what am I supposed to use on nails?
Re: Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
#186Multiple things can be true at the same time: 1. LLMs do not increase general developer productivity by 10x across the board for general purpose tasks selected at random. 2. LLMs dramatically increases productivity for a limited subset of tasks 3. LLMs can be automated to do busy work and although they may take longer in terms of clock time than a human, the work is effectively done in the background. LLMs can get me…
> LLMs can get me up to speed on new APIs and libraries far faster than I can myself
To this?
> LLMs can get me up to speed on old APIs and old libraries that are new to me far faster than I can myself
My experience is if the library/API/tool is new then the LLM can't help. But maybe I'm using it wrong.
Re: Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
#187These claims wouldn't matter if the topic weren't so deadly serious. Tech leaders everywhere are buying into the FOMO, convinced their competitors are getting massive gains they're missing out on. This drives them to rebrand as AI-First companies, justify layoffs with newfound productivity narratives, and lowball developer salaries under the assumption that AI has fundamentally changed the value equation. This is my…
This isn't entirely foreign to me; it sure looks a lot like the hype train of the dot-com bubble. My experience says that if you're holding stocks in a company going down this road, I'd say they have very low long-term value. Even if you think there's room to grow, bubbles pop fast and hard.
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#188Most of it doesn't exist beyond videos of code spraying onto a screen alongside a claim that "juniors are dead." I think the "why" for this is that the stakes are high. The economy is trembling. Tech jobs are evaporating. There's a high anxiety around AI being a savior, and so, a demi-religion is forming among the crowd that needs AI to be able to replace developers/competency. That said: I personally have gotten imp…
Re: Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
#189“Where is the shovelware?”… It’s Coming! Changing domain to writing and images and video you can see LinkedIn is awash with everyone generating everything by LLMs. The posting cadence has quickened too as people shout louder to raise their AI assisted voice over other people’s. We’ve all seen and heard the AI images and video tsunami So why not software (yet but soon)?? Firstly, Software often has a function and AI t…
How much of it is to be blamed on AI, and how much on a culture of making users test their products, I do not know.
Re: Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up
#190Most users have 40-80 apps installed and use 9 a day, 20 a month(1). The shitty iOS subscription trend killed off the hobby of 'app collecting'.
Have I created large commercial Ai-coded projects? No. Did I create 80+ useful tools in hours/days that I wouldn't have otherwise? Hellz yeah!
Would I publish any of these on public github? Nope! I don't have the time nor the inclination to maintain them. There's just too many.
My shovelware "Apps" reside on my machine/our intranet or V0/lovable/bolt. Roughly ~25% are in active daily use on my machine or in our company. All tools and "apps" are saving us many hours each week.
I'm also rediscovering the joy of coding something useful, without writing a PRD for some intern. Speaking of which. We no longer have an intern.