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Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by yurishimo »

cylemons wrote: post #165
keiferski wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is mostly just proximity and framing. A hurt wild animal is alive and right in front of you. Meat from the grocery store is a prepackaged product that isn’t mentally associated with the bloody process behind the scenes required to get it there. The commercial aspect is pretty dependent on this distancing. Case-in-point: I once stayed in a small town in Morocco for a few weeks. There wasn’t a grocery store nearby,…

Also a matter of purpose, killing animals for food is more acceptable than killing them for sport or entertainment

Exactly this. Meat is a huge source of nutrition. Even though in our modern western society, we might not "need" to eat meat, but it's a hearty, plentiful, accessible protein and fat that stores well and can be easily moved and replicated quickly. It's simply much more practical still to keep eating meat in much of the world. I'm not going to go into the arguments about our biology either, but I think it's safe to say that our bodies are also very finely tuned to eat and process organic (from organisms) meat and use it as fuel. Sure, you can feed your cat a vegan diet or whatever and replace all of the vitamins, but there is no denying that the more "natural" way would be to just eat the meat and be done with it.

Many of the arguments for veganism come alongside ideas for better animal welfare, but the two are not mutually exclusive. The only reason we don't eat grandma after she dies is because it's culturally unacceptable. We can apply more respect and reverence to meat production without stopping entirely or pretending that the benefits of eating meat don't exist.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by kragen »

eloisant wrote: post #144
lmm wrote: post #90

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This is similar to the Japanese concept of Shitsurei (失礼, しつれい). It is of course impossible to comprehend this unique idea that no other world culture has ever conceived of. What a remarkable society!

Yes, in the same way I chuckle when I hear people (often practicing martial arts) talking about how "a Sensei" would be a word you can't translate, to talk about some kind of magical mentor... Dude, it just means "teacher" or "professor".

That's exactly why you can't translate it: it has a word that is an exact denotational equivalent but with totally different connotations, because English and US culture lack the reverence for professors and other teachers that is implicit in Japan. Like how "tofu" means "soybean curd staple food" in Japan and "soybean curd effeminate, effete abomination" to rednecks.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by bregma »

MisterTea wrote: post #23
duxup wrote: post #19

I wonder how this plays out. As noted sometimes the staff can't eat it, heck sometimes you might not want to eat it. That has to happen pretty often. I worked at a company with a particularly sensitive HR team who would host pizza parties now and then, but they'd only order "weird" pizzas and I guess they liked it, but they were quite miffed when people stopped coming / didn't want to eat some pizza with some kind of…

> didn't want to eat some pizza with some kind of fake cheese and unrecognizable veggies. What I want to know is what ghastly pizza establishment serves fake cheese and what are mystery veggies?

    Curry             5p

    Meat Curry        7p

    Named Meat Curry 15p

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by mr_toad »

MarkSweep wrote: post #77
MisterTea wrote: post #23

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> didn't want to eat some pizza with some kind of fake cheese and unrecognizable veggies. What I want to know is what ghastly pizza establishment serves fake cheese and what are mystery veggies?

Whole Foods is an offender here. They were selling a slice of fresh vegan pizza, which I assumed just had vegetables on it. Instead it had this obscene goopy “vegan cheese” that had more in common with mochi than cheese. (Yes, you can find pizzas with mochi on it in Japan, but they don’t call it cheese!)

I don’t get the trend of vegan restaurants etc selling fake meat products. If you want vegan food you’re probably better off going to an Indian restaurant where they actually know how to cook without meat.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by latexr »

Hamuko wrote: post #13
juancn wrote: post #4

It's related to the concept of Mottainai (もったいない, 勿体無い) in Japanese culture. Where any waste is considered bad, specially related to food. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mottainai

Any waste as long as it's not plastic. Plastic's a free-for-all. There's really nothing you can't individually plastic wrap. An apple? Wrap it in plastic. A cookie? Plastic. A plastic straw? You can wrap that too.

My “favourites” have to be food items with a natural covers, such as bananas and eggs, individually wrapped in plastic.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by barry-cotter »

danhau wrote: post #180
bambax wrote: post #161

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Not sure what the quote has to do with anything here, but it's a as good an opportunity as ever to say that large parts of the "Old Testament" draw most of its inspiration from the code of Hammurabi ("an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"), the Epic of Gilgamesh (which gave us, notably, the story of the deluge, and the dark role of the serpent) and Ancient Egypt, to which it owes, among many others, the concept of…

These depictions can probably be dismissed, just as any other depiction of Jesus. That painting has been made long after his death. The only clues to his likeness are deductions from biblical texts and historical context. For example, he most likely didn‘t have long hair (1. Corinthians 11), and he also wasn‘t European looking (should be obvious).

> he also wasn‘t European looking (should be obvious).

Spaniards, Egyptians, Greeks and Levantines all look very similar and Jesus was definitely of the Levant. I hope you won’t deny Spaniards and Greeks are European.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by danjc »

jfengel wrote: post #81

Restaurants (at least in the US) have very strict standards about how long you can keep something at room temperature before you have to throw it away. Those standards are extremely conservative, and lead to a lot of food waste, but if I were on the staff I'd at least want to keep an eye on how long something has been sitting out. Those standards have just been beaten into me. You also see that on a lot of fictional…

Once you notice characters aren't eating, you'll never not see it again.

Related, where they're drinking coffee from a disposable cup, you can almost always tell it's empty by how they handle it.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by aziaziazi »

cylemons wrote: post #165
keiferski wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is mostly just proximity and framing. A hurt wild animal is alive and right in front of you. Meat from the grocery store is a prepackaged product that isn’t mentally associated with the bloody process behind the scenes required to get it there. The commercial aspect is pretty dependent on this distancing. Case-in-point: I once stayed in a small town in Morocco for a few weeks. There wasn’t a grocery store nearby,…

Also a matter of purpose, killing animals for food is more acceptable than killing them for sport or entertainment

One could say the same with slaves: slaves for work are more acceptable than for fun.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by iamtedd »

rkomorn wrote: post #129
kulahan wrote: post #58

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If you haven't make shakshuka yet, it's worth a shot. It's one of my favorite places to use lots and lots of feta. It's not normally vegan since it's topped with an egg, but that's easy enough to remove and forget. Eat it with toasted pita.

Come on, it's 2025, no true HN user hasn't tried to make shakshuka by now. :D

I don't even know how to spell shakshuka.

Re: The staff ate it later

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Post by krapp »

barry-cotter wrote: post #186
danhau wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These depictions can probably be dismissed, just as any other depiction of Jesus. That painting has been made long after his death. The only clues to his likeness are deductions from biblical texts and historical context. For example, he most likely didn‘t have long hair (1. Corinthians 11), and he also wasn‘t European looking (should be obvious).

> he also wasn‘t European looking (should be obvious). Spaniards, Egyptians, Greeks and Levantines all look very similar and Jesus was definitely of the Levant. I hope you won’t deny Spaniards and Greeks are European.

In this context, "European" means "white." Jesus probably did not look like the bearded white hippie commonly depicted in Western (primarily American and British) iconography.

Spaniards, Egyptians, Greeks and Levantines may or may not look similar (seems a bit broad, like the geographical definition of "European") but they also don't often look like "white people." Especially not in Egypt or the Levant.

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