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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by theshrike79 »

ako wrote: post #138
alwillis wrote: post #135

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I just installed it—definitely not a toy. Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project: What I Can Help You With • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc. • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, d…

Isn’t that easy to add with some rules and guidelines documents? I usually ask Claude code to research modern best practices for SwiftUI apps and to summarize the learnings in a rules file that will be part of the SwiftUI project.

Yes and no. Proper Agentic coding tools like Claude Code are a bit more than just a bunch of markdown rulesets.

For example: it uses Haiku as a model to run tools and most likely has automatic translations for when the model signals it wants to search or find something -> either use the built-in search or run find/fd/grep/rg

All that _can_ be done by prompting, but - as always with LLMS - prompts are more like suggestions.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by ghurtado »

alwillis wrote: post #135
wahnfrieden wrote: post #124

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This won't make a dent. It still doesn't support any agentic operation. The real news is when Codex CLI / Claude Code get integrated, or Apple introduces a competitor offering to them. Until then this is a toy and should not be used for any serious work while these far better tools exist.

I just installed it—definitely not a toy. Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project: What I Can Help You With • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc. • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, d…

I'm as crazy about AI as the next dev, but that has to be the weakest example of AI capability that I have ever seen.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by brailsafe »

manmal wrote: post #150
alwillis wrote: post #135

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I just installed it—definitely not a toy. Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project: What I Can Help You With • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc. • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, d…

If a bunch of markdown files forced into the context is “knowing”, then yes. They are usually located at /Applications/Xcode-beta.app/Contents/PlugIns/IDEIntelligenceChat.framework/Versions/A/Resources/AdditionalDocumentation You are free to point Claude Code to that folder, or make a slash command that loads their contents. Or, start CC with -p where the prompt is the content of all those files. Claude Code integrat…

> Claude Code integration in Xcode would be very cool indeed, but I might still stick with VSCode for pure coding.

I'm sticking with VSCode too, but it's a bit silly to suggest that anyone is using XCode because it's their preferred IDE. It's just the one that's necessary for any non-trivial Apple platform development.

Adding a code generator isn't a marketing ploy to get people to switch editors, it's just a small concession to the many hapless souls stuck dealing with Apple on the professional side, or masochistically building mac SwiftUI apps just to remind themselves what pain feels like.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by baka367 »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

I find it useful to ask it to build a design document first and push to add details where i see it lacking.

After a few iteration i then ask it to implement the design doc to mostly-better results.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by zer00eyz »

pritambaral wrote: post #94
sunnybeetroot wrote: post #81

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15% if you’re part of the small business program.

What program do I have to join for 0%?

The one where you collect cash directly from users, and magically make handling that have zero overhead.

Credit card processing is hard... Go price out stripe + customer service + dealing with charge backs and tell me if you really want to do processing your self.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by bakugo »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

What you're doing wrong is that you're asking it for something more complicated than babby's first webapp in javascript/python.

When people say things like "I told Claude what I wanted and it did it all on the first try!", that's what they mean. Basic web stuff that that is already present in the model's training data in massive volumes, so it has no issue recreating it.

No matter how much AI fanatics try to convince you otherwise, LLMs are not actually capable of software engineering and never will be. They are largely incapable of performing novel tasks that are not already well represented in their weights, like the ones you tried.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by 999900000999 »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

Think of Claude as a typical software developer.

If you just selected a random developer do you think they're going to have any idea why your talking about?

The issue is LLMs will never say, sorry, IDK how to do this. Like a stressed out intern they just make up stuff and hope it passes review.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by CSSer »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #177
_boffin_ wrote: post #160

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too big of tasks. break them down and then proceed from there. have it build out task lists in a TASKS.md. review those tasks. do you agree? no? work with it to refine. implement one by one. have it add the tests. refactor after awhile as {{model}} doesn't like to do utility functions a lot. right now, about +50k lines in to a project that's vibecoded. i sit back and direct and it plays. Imagine the CS 100 class wher…

This is the way. I run interviews at my company. We allow/encourage AI. The number one failure method is people throwing all of the requirements in upfront. They get one good pass then fail.

I'm inclined to agree with this approach because someone not using AI who fails would likely fail for the same reasons. If you can't logically distill a problem into parts you can't obtain a solution.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by greggsy »

pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

Just because you can’t or won’t win the market with your opportunistic investment, doesn’t mean you should let your competitors completely annihilate you by taking that investment for themselves.

Google, Apple, FB or AWS would have been suitors for that licensing deal if MS didn’t bite.

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