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Post by seanw444 »

lotharcable wrote: post #117
rauli_ wrote: post #112

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It's so weird to hear people who have problems with NVIDIA GPUs on Linux, because for me it's always been the opposite. I have had problems with AMD but never with NVIDIA.

Things have changed a lot since Steam deck. Especially in the last 3 or 4 years. Mobile users suffer more problems then people with dedicated desktop GPUs, but it still gotten a lot better. The one thing to be careful about AMD GPUs is that for most GPU OEMs AMD is just a after thought. So they get sub-par QA and heatsinks compared to their more popular Nvidia models. It is best to go with card makers that only sell…

Had good experiences with XFX so far as well.

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Post by danudey »

kibwen wrote: post #79
ksec wrote: post #41

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Problem is none of the trackpad on PC are as good as the Apple trackpad

Hardware-wise, no, I've had plenty of PC trackpads that are better than Apple trackpads. But MacOS tends to have better built-in support for advanced gestures, which seem to be impossible on Windows and must be manually configured on Linux (but gives you enormous power once you do).

Apple's palm rejection is also top tier, though other systems have been getting better. My current Dell seems fine so far, but at my last company the Dell I had was almost unusable due to my cursor just teleporting around my document randomly if my hands got too close to the trackpad (which is where they have to be to type).

Not sure if it's a hardware (Dell) or software (Ubuntu) improvement, but thank god.

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Post by haakon »

nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

I wish I could buy it, but I'm in the unfortunate situation of being in Norway, instead of almost any other European country. Will you ever ship here? ;-(

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Post by hnuser123456 »

starkparker wrote: post #145
nrp wrote: post #102

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We actually go into this in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzUBqtgODM

Specifically 11:04: https://youtu.be/0RzUBqtgODM?t=664 > Something that we hear over and over again across our entire product lineup is that people want pointing sticks. You might know it as trackpoint from other brands. The little nubs that you can use as a mouse. Obviously, if you're a ThinkPad user, former ThinkPad user, that might be something that you're very familiar and comfortable with. And so, it is somethin…

Most laptops have rubber bumpers around the screen to create a small airgap when the screen is closed, and even if you stack several laptops on top of each other, the bottom one's screen won't flex enough to touch the keyboard. Maybe with the more rigid lid, they can enable this?

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Post by codr7 »

noooooooph wrote: post #50
christiangenco wrote: post #42

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Hah, I'm curious if this is legally possible. I've never seen that on any non-ThinkPad laptop.

I recall Dell had laptops in the past at some point that had blue trackpoint-like nubs

And they were complete trash in comparison to the ones on ThinkPads imo.

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Post by microtonal »

whalesalad wrote: post #164
9x39 wrote: post #140

Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…

Some interesting discussion around this topic yesterday here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45019483 Unfortunately I do not think anyone comes remotely close to Apple in the battery life department. I have an M2 Air that I really adore, but after driving Linux on my workstation for the last 2 years I want to explore Linux laptops. All my research has concluded that if you care about longevity, a Mac is the on…

I have a ThinkPad T14 Gen 5 AMD (besides MacBook Pro M1 Pro) and with some powertop tweaks it lasts about 6-7 hours. Not as great as the M1 Pro, but generally good enough to work a few hours without power. The nice thing is that I loaded it up with 64GiB RAM and a 2TB SSD for cheap (almost infinite NixOS generations, yay!).

The MacBook has a better trackpad, stronger case, better battery life, far better display. But the ThinkPad has NixOS running perfectly (I had Asahi on my Mac Studio, but with the lack of Thunderbolt and not so great battery life I don't want to run it on a MacBook). At any rate, the Mac is going to be better, but I have to sacrifice a bit for tech-feudalism-free computing (Mac is slowly becoming more and more closed).

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Post by ezst »

panzerboiler wrote: post #78
jayd16 wrote: post #47

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I assume some gestures are simply not possible. Like click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously. Not every app handles gutter-hover-to-scroll in a usable way. On a mouse or a pad with buttons, you can keep the left click held down and scroll with the wheel or gesture. Uni-pads make this impossible.

You assume it wrong. You can click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously without issues on an Apple trackpad.

How does that work? You've got to tap the touchpad to trigger the initial click, don't you? For some reason, I really HATE tapping a touchpad (let that be an Apple or otherwise), it breaks my flow, I suppose? (like, you have to pause at the cursor's location, lift, tap twice to initiate a dragging event, then finally move on) whereas on the ThinkPad I daily drive I do all the cursor movement/scrolling with my right hand and the selection/clicking with my left thumb on the physical key that sits on the top of the touchpad sensitive area. That makes click&drag workflows super efficient, I find.

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Post by microtonal »

chao- wrote: post #158
TomLisankie wrote: post #139

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Is this because the driver itself has changed in its operation or just from the name change breaking lots of code that referenced the "radeon" name?

They were referencing a time, in the middle of the 2010's, when "amdgpu" was released. It is a completely rewritten, different driver, and is mostly open source [0]. Before that, the driver was named "radeon" and it was very shaky. I can speak to this personally. I had desktop Linux systems with both AMD/ATI and Nvidia GPUs, and while there were some issues with Nvidia, the AMD/ATI drivers gave me nightmares. Once th…

The first few cards created after that (IIRC the Polaris GPUs, RX 400's)

Even Sea Islands/Southern Islands were much better with amdgpu (but you have to use a module parameter to enable support).

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Post by tracker1 »

soperj wrote: post #53
Deuter8 wrote: post #6

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I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

Thinkpads still have buttons. I don't ever use the trackpad, just the nub and buttons.

Some Dell business models have them as well... I used to be a fan, but at this point I prefer the Mac touchpad experience. The closest I've felt are Razor and a few higher end Chromebooks (that I won' t buy). I'm hoping other mfgs get a lot closer to the Apple touchpad experience as patents start to expire in the next few years.

There's a few that are close, but still not close enough. Also, Mac slightly changed their default settings (regarding the physical click behavior), I never recall what it is but only that I change it back when starting out on a new machine.

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