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Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by narrator »

modeless wrote: post #156
arnaudsm wrote: post #131

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Classic HN middlebrow dismissal, only upvoted because people dislike Musk. Word error rate of 25% is unusable. Also it needs extensive retraining every few days. They used four fixed electrode arrays, like pushing a miniature bed of nails into your brain, which is far more invasive and less advanced than Neuralink's one device with threads individually implanted by robot. Neuralink is not exclusively for speech, focu…

I think the cognitive dissonance works like this.

"All the people I believe to be smart and trustworthy and nice say that Elon Musk is wrong to disagree with them."

Elon Musk does something smart.

"No, Elon Musk did not do something smart. That's because only smart people do smart things. If he were smart, he would agree with the people that I believe to be smart and trustworthy and nice. He must have cheated or lied or stole someone else's idea which also makes him not nice and not trustworthy. How can anyone support anything he does?"

"Oh look, someone on HN pointed out that Elon Musk did something smart. They must be not smart, not trustworthy and not nice just like all the other people who disagree with things the people I believe to be smart and trustworthy and nice support. Here's a downvote!"

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by rsanek »

arnaudsm wrote: post #131

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Great study, thanks for the reference. Surprised that it's actually still quite far from natural conversation, both in speed and error rate. Created an infographic that summarize the full study: https://studyvisuals.com/medicine-health/a-highperformance-s...

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by gpm »

skybrian wrote: post #155
stephen_g wrote: post #151

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I mean, let's be real - Telsa almost definitely has at least a whole PR department's worth of people who do PR kind of things, I'd bet they just don't call them PR or have a dedicated department for that PR so he can keep saying that... Or who knows, maybe they actually just do have a PR department - plenty of stuff Musk has said has just been plain untrue, like when he promised that like his money was first in to Te…

PR means "public relations." Such as talking to the press. Are they still sending journalists poop emojis or did they start talking to them again?

Literally everything here is public relations by Tesla, as a bunch of examples: https://www.youtube.com/@tesla/videos

I don't know if they're still sending poop emojis, but "public relations" is a term that encompasses more than "press relations", and "press relations" itself encompasses more than answering questions in email.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by kelseyfrog »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #132
fracus wrote: post #123

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From what I've read, if you are blind from birth, but visual signals were suddenly restored, your brain wouldn't know how to process them. Blind from birth = blind forever. I'm not certain though.

I think the brain would adapt. It may take a while but the brain is very flexible and adaptable.

Depending on the task[1], it takes 1 week[2] to 1 year[3].

1. https://news.mit.edu/2011/vision-problem-0411

2. Shape recognition

3. Face recognition

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by michaelmrose »

marknutter wrote: post #92
erulabs wrote: post #67

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Not trying to be snarky, but doesn't this mental model effectively allow you to ignore any/all things otherwise intelligent people have to say, simply because you disagree? If I met Einstein, and he had opinions about how to cook chicken that differed from mine, I wouldn't leap to "he's a complete moron in the kitchen!", i'd be inclined to really attempt to understand the difference of opinion. I'm not disagreeing th…

"anyone who can think critically leans towards the Democratic party" isn't something anyone who's actually intelligent would ever say.

It is. The opposition is getting ready to crater the economy whilst building concentration camps to be filled by the klan army he's putting together whilst gutting both our constitutional protections and ability to remove what ammounts to a senile version of Hitler.

They are doing so much damage to institutions and ultimately to people that their loss in 2028 will be damned near inevitable leaving them no course of action to stay out of prison other tha what they have already outlined which is to end democracy.

There is no substantial opposition from the Republicans singly or in groups. They are barely willing to verbally chastise him and none dare vote in a meaningful way that would impact his plans.

They were barely willing to admit he wasn't pres in 2021 when he was nothing.

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pizzathyme wrote: post #166
arnaudsm wrote: post #131

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There's a lot of parallels here to the history of Nikola Tesla vs. Marconi. Tesla's inventions were superior, more reliable, more versatile in almost every way. But Marconi is the one remembered as the father of the radio, despite stealing Tesla's ideas and implementing them in less reliable fashion. He got to market fast, iterated on horrible versions, built broken products, but he shipped shipped shipped. And in th…

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by electriclove »

fred_is_fred wrote: post #86

I am rooting for success in the general field, but Elon's claims ranging from self-driving cars to autonomous taxi fleets to government cost savings of hundreds of billions need to all be viewed with skepticism. I'll need to see a a lot more than one patient.

Skepticism is good but I think there are 9 patients now. https://x.com/ModdedQuad/status/1953274433025786031

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by aeternum »

gpm wrote: post #147
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #137

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> I'm impressed by Musk's PR team. They hype tech years behind competitors with puff pieces like this with gullible journalists that don't contextualize. Ok where is a paraplegic who's life has been fundamentally improved more then the Neuralink patient one by some of these other technologies that are "years" ahead?

Note that the first paper you were linked is about a patient in a clinical trial... the paraplegic's life which has been fundamentally improved is the participant in that clinical trial.

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

germinalphrase wrote: post #39
xg15 wrote: post #13

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Divisive is an understatement. If this tech could be made to work flawlessly, it would be the gate to all the SciFi cyborg stuff, including body enhancements, "telepathy", etc. Also, as a "side effect", it would open a path to fully immersive VR, as in Matrix, Snow Crash, Neuromancer, etc - with all the upsides and downsides of those scenarios. All that "just" from hooking up motor and sensor neurons. And then people…

The dystopian downside is significant. It is not difficult to come up with half a dozen horrific outcomes of this technology.

Imagine if your brain implant got infected by malware. There will be entries in the DSM for that, and another entry for "patient is convinced that implant is infected by malware, but it's actually totally fine".
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