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The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.
“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” — George Orwell, 1984
The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.
We never moved past that. They always used whatever worked on their audience with no commitment to consistency. If you are sophisticated then they have quite elaborate, yet factually incorrect, justifications about not hurting the global poor etc. that they'll use. But if they can get some traction with blaming the Jews for orchestrating an elaborate conspiracy or a Chinese hoax or just blatant denial of reality and…
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> Carbon emissions can first and foremost be reduced by reducing the combustion of fossil fuels. Exactly! It can’t be reduced or increased by edits to federal PDF files that nobody reads Commercial efforts are the only solution, and will happen because new energy is cheaper and better. Photovoltaic and battery improvements are our best path forward. Industrial policy can help but we’ve never really had that in the US
If nobody reads them and they have no effect, why are they being rewritten?
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They're not stupid. They're evil. We can't rely on them failing because they're stupid, we need to fight against them because they're evil.
> They're evil. Malignant/Malicious/Malevolent yes -- absolutely; not evil -- not yet.
The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.
No we never moved past that because the weather isn't getting more extreme. What happened is the left repeat this claim over and over, so people came to believe it. But where's the evidence? Are storms getting worse? No. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ace-north-atlantic-hurric... Is drought getting worse? No. https://www.drought.gov/historical-information?dataset=1&sel... For people who don't Fucking Love Science…
Ironically climate will also rewrite the US and the rest of the world in return. More so that we are losing several important years because the US as a big contributor is now governed by complete climate deniers. Currently having the hottest summer so far, but coolest summer we will see at the same time is something I hoped to never experience.
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It depends on which subset we're talking about though. Some are quite well educated and (IME) lately have taken the position that sure, it's happening and sure, it's human caused but that mitigation is far too expensive and economically disruptive to justify. Thus that we should simply let things run their course and deal with any fallout as necessary.
.. "as long as that fallout doesn't affect us." might be the unspoken corollary. If they think mitigation is bad for the economy, why would the uncontrolled fallout be any better?
It's entirely possible some of them are merely paying lip service and don't really believe that it will ever affect them personally. But taking them at their word they accept that they will be impacted one way or another.
I don't happen to agree with them but I still think it's worthwhile to understand other's reasoning. The dismissiveness that's all too common drives dogmatic behavior and polarization.
Ironically climate will also rewrite the US and the rest of the world in return. More so that we are losing several important years because the US as a big contributor is now governed by complete climate deniers. Currently having the hottest summer so far, but coolest summer we will see at the same time is something I hoped to never experience.
Now do China. Four times the emissions of Europe and USA combined with no end in sight. Building 1000 coal power plants over the next two years. But do go on with your usa bashing because that's your actual motivation
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No we never moved past that because the weather isn't getting more extreme. What happened is the left repeat this claim over and over, so people came to believe it. But where's the evidence? Are storms getting worse? No. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ace-north-atlantic-hurric... Is drought getting worse? No. https://www.drought.gov/historical-information?dataset=1&sel... For people who don't Fucking Love Science…
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This belief system is highly attractive to the nerdy types who hang out here, because it explicitly privileges the nerdy and proclaims them the new priesthood, whilst draping itself in clothes designed to look like science and maths whilst refusing to hold itself to rigorous standards.
So we get BEHOLD ALL YE UNBELIEVERS type rhetoric, and then people with graphs that say "nothing to see here" get booed but not responded to.