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Eleven Music
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Re: Eleven Music
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, in the end, the only thing this snobbery does is that it makes you look/sound old. Nobody cares. I've heard the same thing when electronic music came up. The old ones couldn't stop complaining about this "computer music" where nobody does real handwork anymore. I see it as democratisation of art. Everybody can do it now and this is a good thing. Let's face reality. There is no way back. We'll see what comes of…
It's not art. It's democratization of crap.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Re: Eleven Music
#183I could be wrong, but I think the use case here is mainly for non-artists in domains where the music is not particularly important. For example, a podcaster/youtuber may want a short intro track. An entertainer or a marketer may want some generic or silly background music. Does it have a use case for a producer/musician? Maybe. It might give them ideas for chord progressions, melodies, etc. But real music does that t…
Probably useful for placeholder musical elements (often you just need something in the mix of a certain sonic palette)
But most studio-bunnies already have memorised catalogues of sample libraries like Omnisphere for that
Re: Eleven Music
#184If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…
Art is a framing device largely independent of the content. It's how we get Fountain[1], Piss Christ[2], Comedian[3], Mother![4], 4’33”[5], and Seedbed[6] to name a few among countless others. To claim that AI content is incapable of being framed as art is nonsense when we have example after example of the diversity of what art can be. Let's remember, bad art is still art. 1. Marcel Duchamp. 1917 2. Andres Serrano. 1…
My favorite was David Datuna eating the $120k banana duct taped to the wall in 2019. A banana doesn’t transubstantiate into capital A “Art” just because someone paid a lot of money for it. In fact eating the banana was more Art than the original duct taping imo.
It is reminiscent of Fountain. Not sure if there was an intentional connection.
Re: Eleven Music
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just wait until the rush of commenters that insist you’re wrong about being offended that they want to automate and commodify every aspect of your life.
Made this point elsewhere, but the music industry has been on a downward slide towards making music as cheaply as possible for some time now. If you look at Taylor Swift's first 12 number one hits, each of them was written by a different writer. Compare that to bands from 30 years ago, many of whom wrote and recorded all the songs themselves. Labels don't sign rock bands anymore because actually recording a rock band…
I disagree on the rock album being overly expensive to record
Any decent studio can make a U87 on vocals, DI bass, Fender amp and several SM57s on drums sound as good as almost any album from 1970-2010
Hell I’ve seen a five part band get away with three mics total including drums and it was a smash hit
Rock “died” because culture moved on, not because of it being inherently expensive to record (which it’s not)
Re: Eleven Music
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think there should be a legal mandate for truth in labelling just like there is on food. If I could, I would block all AI generated and TTS-voiced videos on YouTube. I don't want AI-generated anything. the fact that it's being forced on us from all angles is proof that it is no good.
Or whether any tools were used to retouch a photo? We've been living in an age of artificiality for some time now.
Retouching is not generation.
Re: Eleven Music
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't work like that, art is a package. At this point it's interesting that AI can do these things but the momen it wears off it stops being worthwhile. Artist + AI as a tool is working fine I believe but stuff produced by people who don't have taste shows.
Every time something comes along like this there's a revolt. Photoshop. First Analog synthesizers and then digital synthesizers. Multitrack audio recording. Digital Recording. Autotune. Vocaloids. These things change the nature of the game and invalidate the labor of the people who used to be winners, and I get it. If you take the money and the fame out of the equation, though, the point of art is not to become rich…
I mean, even the presence of the ability to overdub audio on a record let people cast aspersions on the "genuineness" of artists like KISS:
"“There is a lot of controversy about KISS’ ‘Alive!’ Did they play their own record or did they overdub? News Flash! You’re allowed to overdub! You’re allowed to do that. It’s not a crime. If you’re making an album and you want to overdub one part, that’s completely allowed, and everybody does it. "
https://rockcelebrities.net/sebastian-bach-addresses-the-ove...
Even modern musicians call studio composing "cheating"
"In a way it's kind of like cheating cause you can play stuff over and over again, and be like, no, that's bad, cut this, move it over, and then kind of fit the lyrics to it."
https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/6759-yeasayer/
Even Analog vs Digital records:
"Neil Young, who has been very expressive about analog vs digital and which digital medium he prefers. This undated quote is about cds:
“The mind has been tricked, but the heart is sad.”"
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/quotes-from-musicians...
Like, you don't have to like it. That's fine.
But if there is art there, you should not dismiss it because of the tools used to make it.
Right now I imagine there is so close to no art from AI that it can be said that there is none at all.
I also imagine that will change in the next 20 years.
Re: Eleven Music
#188We imagined a utopian future where robots did our menial work so we were free to be creative. Instead we got a dystopian future where we do more and more menial work so our robots can poorly emulate creativity. It's not too late to turn it around, but that requires recognizing the humanity of 99.9% of people, and the 0.1% who own everything would rather create their own synthetic (subservient) humans than recognize t…
It's only from a position of extreme arrogance that you can complain that machines have not yet done enough for you. But it's the fun thing about being humans, I suppose. Our insatiable greed means we demand endlessly more.
It’s not greedy nor did they demand anything
Re: Eleven Music
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Art is a framing device largely independent of the content. It's how we get Fountain[1], Piss Christ[2], Comedian[3], Mother![4], 4’33”[5], and Seedbed[6] to name a few among countless others. To claim that AI content is incapable of being framed as art is nonsense when we have example after example of the diversity of what art can be. Let's remember, bad art is still art. 1. Marcel Duchamp. 1917 2. Andres Serrano. 1…
If that was true, then the development of a new urinal factory would have the same impact on art as the development of a new AI art models. The framing is dependent on the content
The point of Fountain was to say that whether something is art should depend on the content and its absurd that a urinal could be considered art.
But the art isn’t in the content, it was in the statement it was making about the absurdity surrounding the fact you could pay to put anything in an art exhibition. Swap out the white urinal for a blue one, it’s the same point.
Re: Eleven Music
#190Lifeless music? Made of chunks of someone else's music, stitched together and polished to hide the sews. I think this is what gives all AI slop such an uncanny vibe.