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A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages
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#182When the crash hits, it will hit hard.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
if we get AGI and a post-scarcity age what makes these people think they -reaching- AGI will make them kings. seems like governments will have a thing to say about who's able to run that AGI or not. GPU's run on datacenters which exist in countries
Yes but countries are run by governments, which are composed of people, who can be bribed. If you believe that AI will make you the richest person in human history, you presumably can see that the problem of government can be solved with enough money.
> the problem of government can be solved with enough money
Tokyo Professor and former Beijing Billionaire CEO Jack Ma, may disagree.
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#184These figures are for a very small number of potential people. This leaves out that frontier AI is being developed by an incredibly small number of extremely smart people who have migrated between big tech, frontier AI, and others. Yes, the figures are nuts. But compare them to F1 or soccer salaries for top athletes. A single big name can drive billions in that context at least, and much more in the context of AI. $5…
It’s just a matter of taste, but I am pleased to see publicity on people with compensation packages that greatly exceed actors and athletes. It’s about time the nerds got some recognition. My hope is that researchers get the level of celebrity that they deserve and inspire young people to put their minds to building great things.
The money these millions are coming from is already based on nerds having gotten incredibly rich (i.e. big tech). The recognition is arguably yet to follow.
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#185Is there anything one can do to get in on this? Did I have to be at Stanford getting a PhD 10 years ago, or can I somehow still get on the frontier now as a generic software engineer who's pretty good at learning things, and end up working at one of these labs? Or is it impossible to guess exactly what is going to be desirable a few years from now that might get you in the game at that caliber?
If it were possible to guess, enough people would do it to drive the price to down to reasonable levels. Unless maybe you believe you are in the top 100 or so in the world able to do what it takes.
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#186Good for those involved being offered such packages, but it really does raise the question of what exactly those offering them are so afraid of. For example, Meta seem to be spending so much so they don't later have to fight a war against an external Facebook-as-chatbot style competitor, but it's hard to see how such a thing could emerge from the current social media landscape.
Here is the uncomfortable truth. Only a small group of people are capable of operating at an elite level. The talent pool is extremely small and the companies want the absolute best. It is the same thing in sports as well. There will only ever be one Michael Jordan one Lionel Messi one Tiger Woods one Magnus Carlsen. And they are paid a lot because they are worth it. >> Meta seem to be spending so much so they don't…
While I don’t doubt that these people have great experience and skills what they really have that others don’t is connections and the ability to market themselves well.
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#187People are focused on the skills these people must possess or the experience.
Chances are good that while they’re competitive for sure, what they really have that landed them these positions is connections and the ability to market themselves well.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I take this as a contrarian signal that Meta has hit serious roadblocks improving their AI despite massive data advantages Just a thought: Assuming that Meta's AI is actually good. Could it rather be that having access to a massive amount of data does not bring that much of a business value (in this case particularly for training AIs)? Evidence for my hypothesis: if you want to gain a deep knowledge about some comp…
There’s been a lot of research on the necessity of singular geniuses. The general consensus (from studies on Nobel Prizes and simultaneous patent rates) is that advances tend to be moved by the research community as a whole. You can get that technical or scientific context for a lot less than $250 million per head.
Yes but you can also instantly advance to the state of that person’s former company’s research state which cost them way more than 250M.
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#189why the negativity? no one bats an eye when ronaldo/messi or steph curry or other top athletes get insane salaries. These AI researchers will probably have far more impact on society (good or bad I dont know) than the athletes, and the people who pay them (ie zuck et al) certainly thinks its worth paying them this much because they provide value.
Ronaldo competes in a sport that has 250 million players (mostly for leisure purposes) worldwide, who often practice daily since childhood, and still comes out on top. Are there 250 million AI specialists and the ones hired by Meta still come out on top?
I bet there are more professional footballers than AI researchers hence AI researchers will tend to get paid more.
Also much more people are affected by whatever AI is being developed/deployed than worldwide football viewers.
Top 5 football leagues have about 1.5billion monthly viewers. Top 5 AI companies (google, openai, meta etc) have far more monthly active users.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I take this as a contrarian signal that Meta has hit serious roadblocks improving their AI despite massive data advantages Just a thought: Assuming that Meta's AI is actually good. Could it rather be that having access to a massive amount of data does not bring that much of a business value (in this case particularly for training AIs)? Evidence for my hypothesis: if you want to gain a deep knowledge about some comp…
There’s been a lot of research on the necessity of singular geniuses. The general consensus (from studies on Nobel Prizes and simultaneous patent rates) is that advances tend to be moved by the research community as a whole. You can get that technical or scientific context for a lot less than $250 million per head.
250 million probably gets you a couple of research labs and incremental field advances per year?
Assuming a lab has 20 phds/postdocs and a few professors, call it 25 people per lab, and you're compute / equipment heavy, getting you up to an average of 1M per person per year in total fully loaded costs (including facilities overhead and GPUs and conferences and whatnot), then you're looking at 200 PhD researchers. Assuming that each PhD makes one contribution per 4 years, then that's 50 advances in the field per year from your lab. if only 10% are notable, that's 5 things you've gotten that people are going to get excited about in the field. You need 2% of these contributions to be groundbreaking to get a single major contribution per year.
So 250M for a single person is a lot, but if that person is really really good, then that may be only expensive and not insane.