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Re: Study mode

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If current AI is good enough to teach you something, spending time learning that thing seems to be a really bad investment...

How does that make sense? So you'd learn it if it was bad at teaching? Do you apply the same principle with humans and not bother to learn if the teacher is good?

Your teacher can't operate in millions of locations at once for super cheap

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You should always check. I've seen LLM's being wrong (and obstinate) on topics which are one step separated from common knowledge. I had to post the source code to win the dispute, so to speak.

Why would you try to convince an LLM of anything?

Well, not exactly convince. I was curious what will happen.

If you are curious it was a question about the behavior of Kafka producer interceptors when an exception is thrown.

But I agree that it is hard to resist the temptation to treat LLM's as a pear.

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I'll personally attest: LLM's have been absolutely incredible to self learn new things post graduation. It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange, it was pretty much impossible, and the only thing you can really do is keep paving forward and hope at some point, it'll make sense to you. Now, everyone ba…

> It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed No, not really. > Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange, it was pretty much impossible, and the only thing you can really do is keep paving forward and hope at some point, it'll make sense to you. Your experience isn't universal. Some students learned how to do research in school.

As you say, your experience isn't universal, and we all have different modes of learning that work best for us.

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post #26

I'll personally attest: LLM's have been absolutely incredible to self learn new things post graduation. It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange, it was pretty much impossible, and the only thing you can really do is keep paving forward and hope at some point, it'll make sense to you. Now, everyone ba…

LLMs are to learning what self driving cars are to transportation. They take you to the destination most of the time. But the problem is that if you use them too much your brain (your legs) undergoes metaphorical atrophy and when you are faced in the position of having to do it on your own, you are worse than you would be had you spent the time using your brain (legs). Learning is great but learning to learn is the real skilset. You don't develop that if you are always getting spoonfed.

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post #26

I'll personally attest: LLM's have been absolutely incredible to self learn new things post graduation. It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange, it was pretty much impossible, and the only thing you can really do is keep paving forward and hope at some point, it'll make sense to you. Now, everyone ba…

>Now, everyone basically has a personal TA, ready to go at all hours of the day This simply hasn't been my experience. Its too shallow. The deeper I go, the less it seems to be useful. This happens quick for me. Also, god forbid you're researching a complex and possibly controversial subject and you want it to find reputable sources or particularly academic ones.

It sounds like it is a good tool for getting you up to speed on a subject and you can leverage that newfound familiarity to better search for reputable sources on existing platforms like google scholar or arXiv.

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> It's not my experience that there are missing pieces as compared to anything else. How can you know this when you are learning something? It seems like a confirmation bias to even have this opinion?

I'd gently point out we're 4 questions into "what about if you went about it stupidly and actually learned nothing?" It's entirely possible they learned nothing and they're missing huge parts. But we're sort of at the point where in order to ignore their self-reported experience, we're asking philosophical questions that amount to "how can you know you know if you don't know what you don't know and definitely don't k…

I didn't think that was what was being discussed.

I was attempting to imply that with high-quality literature, it is often reviewed by humans who have some sort of knowledge about a particular topic or are willing to cross reference it with existing literature. The reader often does this as well.

For low-effort literature, this is often not the case, and can lead to things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect where a trained observer can point out that something is wrong, but an untrained observer cannot perceive what is incorrect.

IMO, this is adjacent to what human agents interacting with language models experience often. It isn't wrong about everything, but the nuance is enough to introduce some poor underlying thought patterns while learning.

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#187

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Because you're not paying for knowledge, you're paying for a paper from respectable university saying that your kid is part of the club.

How about experience - those years of life.

"Toby is today's designated signer for Eletromagnetics 302."

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#188
This is cool. Dividing the answer into chunks, because most users can consume in small portions, this is an interesting idea. But on the other hand, it hints at strange cognitive abilities of the user, but here it is individual, perhaps, on average in a hospital, this is how the target audience should be led. It seems to me that I use it differently. On the other hand, having received a detailed answer, no one stops you from asking for a definition of an unfamiliar term. It's like in reading: understanding the thought ends with the first word that you don't know. It's just that not everyone can or wants to admit that they don't know this or that term. When it comes to professional terms, this is really not the most trivial problem.

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Same way you know for humans?

But an LLM isn't a human, with a human you can read body language or look up their past body of work. How do you do his with against an LLM

Many humans tell you bullshit, because they think it's the truth and factually correct. Not so different to LLMs.

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how are you checking its correctness if you're learning the topic?

This is important, as benchmarks indicate we aren't at a level where a LLM can truly be relied upon to teach topics across the board. It is hard to verify information that you are unfamiliar with. It would be like learning from a message board. Can you really trust what is being said?

What is the solution? Toss out thousands of years of tested pedagogy which shows that most people learn by trying things, asking questions, and working through problems with assistance and instead tell everyone to read a textbook by themselves and learn through osmosis?

So what if the LLM is wrong about something. Human teachers are wrong about things, you are wrong about things, I am wrong about things. We figure it out when it doesn't work the way we thought and adjust our thinking. We aren't learning how to operate experimental nuclear reactors here, where messing up results in half a country getting irradiated. We are learning things for fun, hobbies, and self-betterment.

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