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MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Settled, or ossified? Sure, there’s modern classical with more adventurous instrumentation, but that’s not what the moneyed retirees down at the opera house want to hear. The music of the classical canon is unbelievably fantastic, and it deserves respectful treatment, but the genre has lost the audience for cool new sounds. It’s very unfortunate.

I have this same ontological debate with myself, I settle it by having a rather stricter definition of classical music. Classical music is popular music that has remained popular for longer than two generations of listeners. Music that follows that certain large scale form is orchestral music.(or whatever sub genre it is) This annoying behavior does not win me any friends but remember that the great classical compose…

> remember that the great classical composers were the rock stars of their day.

I don't have a source for this but I hear it a lot and I strongly suspect it is a historiographical myth. Pretty much only a very small minority urban (relative) elite had access to live professionally performed classical music during most periods when it was being composed. This is also the group whose writings form most of our current knowledge base about these periods, and whose writings are of course focused primarily on their own interests. We can't really see what they didn't see, or didn't care enough to write about.

But contemporaneous with this elite music there were european folk music traditions, taught and performed ad hoc by individuals or small ensembles in homes and gathering places of the vast majority of "normal" people (peasant farmers, later urban laborers), and including some traveling performers who were known by reputation.

So yeah the great classical composers were wildly popular among the people who listened to the kind of music that they composed, but that was an extremely small part of the population. We don't have very much information at all about what was going on musically with the greater part of the population, but it appears to have been a completely separate thing, it's doubtful the great composers had any name recognition among the vast peasant masses.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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post #144

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I have this same ontological debate with myself, I settle it by having a rather stricter definition of classical music. Classical music is popular music that has remained popular for longer than two generations of listeners. Music that follows that certain large scale form is orchestral music.(or whatever sub genre it is) This annoying behavior does not win me any friends but remember that the great classical compose…

> remember that the great classical composers were the rock stars of their day. I don't have a source for this but I hear it a lot and I strongly suspect it is a historiographical myth. Pretty much only a very small minority urban (relative) elite had access to live professionally performed classical music during most periods when it was being composed. This is also the group whose writings form most of our current k…

What does this hair split accomplish? We have to settle on something.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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I don't know, I think some improved hardware would greatly improve the aesthetics of the Lost Woods, which severely drops in frame rate when docked. Handheld, the diminished fidelity at 720p buys back some frames. I'd be inclined to agree about some older Zelda games though, namely Wind Waker. I replayed it on GCN recently, and can attest that HD Wii U version really didn't add anything to the aesthetics.

The Switch 2 update seems to have resolved every performance complaint I had with TotK, if you're willing to pay the price of admission.

Do the swords still break every 39 seconds?

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Awesome, thanks. Had an inkling whatever Spotify came up with wasn’t right—thank you TIA for Wendy Carlos’s 1968 original!: https://archive.org/details/wendy-carlos-witched-on-bach (have to donate to Internet Archive again now…) anyway Wiki says this album essentially brought the Moog/synths from experimental to popular music. In a lovely fashion, my ears do say.

Update: Wendy Carlos is still with us at 85 years of age, but apparently hasn’t been able to press CDs for two decades, and hasn’t licensed her music for streaming. Her site links to CDs on Amazon, w/o new copies available. She sounds dope, even being an “accomplished solar eclipse photographer” per Wiki. If anyone knows her I’m curious if someone could help her preserve/distribute these beautiful sounds. (Maybe they…

Well, it’s either mental issues, or this is the way she wants it. I assume the latter. She had connections. There are people even today who would throw themselves at her feet to make it happen. She was instrumental in helping Bob Moog make the synthesizer workable for musicians, according to Bob Moog. She did the original Tron soundtrack.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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There's a term I read about a long time ago, I think it was "aesthetic completeness" or something like that. It was used in the context of video games whose art direction was fully realized in the game, i.e. increases in graphics hardware or capabilities wouldn't add anything to the game in an artistic sense. The original Homeworld games were held up as examples. Anyway, this reminded me of that. Making these picture…

Hm, are you sure that there is not some nostalgia at play here? To me they look horribly pixelated and at least some would improve aesthetically a lot for me with a higher resolution.

Many new games are released today with pixel art because that's the aesthetic they want to portray.

Some games, like Borderlands or Wind Waker, use aggressive cell shading. They age like wine, because the game has a distinct art style that gives it character.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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The Switch 2 update seems to have resolved every performance complaint I had with TotK, if you're willing to pay the price of admission.

Do the swords still break every 39 seconds?

To be fair, they did say "performance" complaints. :)

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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There's a term I read about a long time ago, I think it was "aesthetic completeness" or something like that. It was used in the context of video games whose art direction was fully realized in the game, i.e. increases in graphics hardware or capabilities wouldn't add anything to the game in an artistic sense. The original Homeworld games were held up as examples. Anyway, this reminded me of that. Making these picture…

Sounds like they're describing Interstate 76.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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What monitor do you have?

This was on an OLED Samsung phone, screen running at 120Hz

Yes, I asked because I got curious about the effect and opened the link to see it but didn't notice it on mine, so I figured it must be specific to your display.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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This reminds me of the great tragedy of not exposing the Nokia SmartMessage extension to end users. It could have given a new lease of life to grassroots low resolution 1 bit art in the 90s and early 00s in the form of operator logos.

Instead it was gatekept for grifters in order to separate gullible teenagers from their allowance.

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