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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by apwell23 »

xnx wrote: post #164
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Is the case for using Claude Code much weaker now that Gemini CLI is out?

no. CC is not just a cli. Its cli + their pro/max plan.

gemini cli is very expensive.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by [deleted] »

_jab wrote: post #51
jonny_eh wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “leftover” employees at Character were NOT screwed over. Options were converted to cash at the deal’s valuation. Hopefully Windsurf employees are treated well here. Note: I worked at Character until recently.

On the flipside, I’m pretty sure the investors got screwed.

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by e1g »

harikb wrote: post #173
resonious wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also curious about this. Claude Code feels very expensive to me, but at the same time I don't have much perspective (nothing to compare it to, really, other than Codex or other agent editors I guess. And CC is way better so likely worth the extra money anyway)

I think GP is talking about Claude Code Max 100 & 200 plans. They are very reasonable compared to anything else that has per-use token usage. I am on Max and I can work 5 hrs+ a day easily. It does fall back to Sonnet pretty fast, but I don't seem to notice any big differece.

Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day, so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by baby »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

I've tried all the CLI and vscode with agent mode (and personally I prefer o4-mini) is the best thing out there.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by dilyevsky »

helloericsf wrote: post #69
_jab wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flipside, I’m pretty sure the investors got screwed.

Honestly depends on when they got in. Seed investors? They're probably fine with their preferences. Series B and beyond? That's where it gets messy. What round you thinking?

It's literally the opposite - seed investors get paid last with the exception of common.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by socalgal2 »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

just curious because I'm inexperienced with all the latest tools here

> - Tab completion model (Cursor's remaining moat)

What is that? I have Gemini Code Assist installed in VSCode and I'm getting tab completion. (yes, LLM based tab completion)

Which, as an aside I find useful when it works but also often extremely confusing to read. Like say in C++ I type

    int myVar = 123
The editor might show

    int myVar = 123;
And it's nearly impossible to tell that I didn't enter that `;` so I move on to the next line instead of pressing tab only to find the `;` wasn't really there. That's also probably an easy example. Literally it feels like 1 of 6 lines I type I can't tell what is actually in the file and what is being suggested. Any tips? Maybe I just need to set some special background color for text being suggested.

and PS: that tiny example is not an example of a great tab completion. A better one is when I start editing 1 of 10 similar lines, I edit the first one, it sees the pattern and auto does the other 9. Can also do the "type a comment and it fills in the code" thing. Just trying to be clear I'm getting LLM tab completion and not using Cursor

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by jen729w »

TechDebtDevin wrote: post #170
dalemhurley wrote: post #59

Cursor (and Garry Tan’s X post) has shown us that the VC money is propping up these companies astounding growth, the only way for them to become profitable is to increase the cost per a request, which means they need to innovate like crazy. The moat is paper thin. GitHub has open sourced copilot. The open source community is working hard on their own projects. No doubt Cursor is moving fast to create amazing innovati…

Cursor just committed mass consumer fraud at worst, and at best pissed off all their best customers. I feel really sorry for those who invested at a 9bb valuation.

> I feel really sorry for those who invested at a 9bb valuation.

Because they didn't do their jobs properly?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by greymalik »

rhodysurf wrote: post #81
libraryofbabel wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :) I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?

It already does this btw, when you use Cc from the vscode terminal and select things it adds it to cc context automatically

As does Copilot

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by martinald »

asdev wrote: post #129
virgildotcodes wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude Code is totally different paradigm. You don't edit your files directly so there is no tab autocomplete. It's a chat session. There are IDE integrations where you can run it in a terminal session while perusing the files through your IDE, but it's not powering any autocomplete there AFAIK.

are people viewing file diffs in the terminal? surely people aren't just vibing code changes in

Depending on what I'm doing with it I have 3 modes:

Trivial/easy stuff - let it make a PR at the end and review in GitHub. It rarely gets this stuff wrong IME or does anything stupid.

Moderately complex stuff - let it code away, review/test it in my IDE and make any changes myself and tell claude what I've changed (and get it to do a quick review of my code)

Complex stuff - watch it like a hawk as it is thinking and interrupt it constantly asking questions/telling it what to do, then review in my IDE.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by apwell23 »

submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

yes vibecoding is addicting like that. but if you are not reviewing any code and simply vibing then in my expreience you'll eventually get stuck in "its still not working" loops beause you have no other context or insight to provide it other than that. Then you have either accept what you have or throw the whole thing out and/or actually read the code . kind of rules out last option because code is now just too far gone with too many special cases hardcoded because AI sucks at abstraction or real software engineering.
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