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Cloudflare Introduces Default Blocking of A.I. Data Scrapers

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Re: Cloudflare Introduces Default Blocking of A.I. Data Scrapers

#181

Few people realise that virtually everything we do online has, until this point, been free training to make OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. richer while cutting humans--the ones who produced the value--out of the loop. It might be too little, too late, at this juncture, and this particular solution doesn't seem too innovative. However, it is directionally 100% correct, and let's hope for massively more innovation in defendin…

Maybe so, but I'll take Cloudflare over OpenAI and Meta every time.

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post #120

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How is Cloudflare a parasite? I can use Cloudflare, and get their AI protection, for free. I have dozens of domains I have used with Cloudflare at one point and I haven't paid them a dime.

They put themselves as a middle man for almost the whole Internet, collect huge usage data about everyone and block anybody who doesn't use mainstream tools: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42953508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13718752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23897705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41864632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42577076

You can add another one as a result of this article: The data you need to train AI and the data you need to build a search engine are the same data. So now they're inhibiting every new search engine that wants to compete with Google.

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#183
Every evolution of the web, from Web 2 giving us walled gardens to Web 3 giving us, well, nothing, to what we have now is taking us further from a network of communities and personal repositories of knowledge.

Sure, fidelity has gotten better but so much has been lost.

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#184
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Do the major AI companies actually honor robots.txt? Even if some of their publicly known crawlers might do it, surely they have surreptitious campaigns where they do some hidden crawling, just like how they illegally pirate books, images and user data to train on.

Hard to tell, because minor crawlers mimic major companies to not getting banned.

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#185
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post #112

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It's cloudflare and parasites like them that will make the internet un-free. It's already happening, I'm either blocked or back to 1998 load times be cause of "checking your browser". They are destroying the internet and will make it so only people who do approved things on approved browsers (meaning let advertising companies monetize their online activity) will get real access. Cloudflare isn't solving a problem, th…

How is Cloudflare a parasite? I can use Cloudflare, and get their AI protection, for free. I have dozens of domains I have used with Cloudflare at one point and I haven't paid them a dime.

> I have dozens of domains I have used with Cloudflare at one point and I haven't paid them a dime.

Maybe you haven't, but your users (primarily those using "suspicious" operating systems and browsers) certainly have – with their time spent solving captchas.

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post #174

Few people realise that virtually everything we do online has, until this point, been free training to make OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. richer while cutting humans--the ones who produced the value--out of the loop. It might be too little, too late, at this juncture, and this particular solution doesn't seem too innovative. However, it is directionally 100% correct, and let's hope for massively more innovation in defendin…

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What the hell...

Even if you're directing this at the user's blog posts specifically; this is a ridiculously pessimistic, sad way to view things.

I hope you're just having a bad day because if you sincerely have this greedy, cynical mindset day to day(towards blogging, software, offline/real life activities, whatever) I feel sorry for you.

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#187
post #76

Sounds very basic, sadly. Anybody know why these web crawling/bot standards are not evolving ? I believe robots.txt was invented in 1994(thx chatgpt). People have tried with sitemaps, RSS and IndexNow, but its like huge$$ organizations are depending on HelloWorld.bas tech to control their entire platform. I want to spin up endpoints/mcp/etc. and let intelligent bots communicate with my services. Let them ask for acce…

robots.txt was invented in 1994(thx chatgpt)

Thought of and discussed as a possibility in 1994.

Proposed as a standard in 2019.

Adopted as a standard in 2022.

Thanks, IETF.

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#188
This idea that you can publish data for people to download and read but not for people to download and store, or print, or think about, or train on is a doomed one.

If you don’t want people reading your data, don’t put it on the web.

The concept that copyright extends to “human eyeballs only” is a silly one.

Re: Cloudflare Introduces Default Blocking of A.I. Data Scrapers

#189

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I use Firefox with adblocking and some fingerprinting anti-measurements and I rarely hit their challenges. Your IP reputation must be bad. They have an addon [1] that helps you bypass Cloudflare challenges anonymously somehow, but it feels wrong to install a plugin to your browser from the ones who make your web experience worse 1: https://developers.cloudflare.com/waf/tools/privacy-pass/

I'm in a pretty similar boat except I frequently hit challenges. Especially if I use a VPN (which is more trustworthy than my ISP). Ironically, I'm using Cloudflare for DoH

I'd be surprised if Cloudflare were actually correlating DoH requests to HTTP requests following them, so I don't think that's a signal they are likely to use.

Re: Cloudflare Introduces Default Blocking of A.I. Data Scrapers

#190
post #115

I turned this on and it adjusts the robots.txt automatically; not sure what else it is doing. # NOTICE: The collection of content and other data on this # site through automated means, including any device, tool, # or process designed to data mine or scrape content, is # prohibited except (1) for the purpose of search engine indexing or # artificial intelligence retrieval augmented generation or (2) with express # wr…

For my silly hobby sites I just return status 444 close the connection for anything that has case-insentive "bot" in the UA requesting anything other than robots.txt, humans.txt, favicon.ico, etc... This would also drop search engines but I blackhole route most of their CIDR blocks. I'm probably the only one here that would do this.

How does a bot scraping your silly hobby sites for any purpose harm or negatively affect you in any way?
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