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Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

#181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a layout, but a design tool like Figma, leveraging the default flow of elements.

Something like Webflow then?

Not really, I’m not thinking to replace CMS builders like Wix or Squarespace either.

More like ”no-code design directly in HTML and CSS”, but with familiar Figma/Sketch-line controls for sizing, alignment, etc. Responsive by default, boxes full-width and vertically sized by content by default, manual pixel sizing of elements heavily discouraged in favor of block/inline-block/inline. Sane defaults for theme tokens, but easily customizable.

In other words, a hands-on design tool for web layouts, working directly on the DOM and stylesheet, preferring the flow for positioning and leveraging (normalized) HTML/CSS defaults.

My thinking is mostly born out of frustration with the performance of flexbox-inside-flexbox layouts and the total disparity of text layout between web and existing design tools.

Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

#182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a whole lot of companies that are run to benefit their management and not their shareholders. At best, they might be making no money but keeping a bunch of people in work. There's a good reason public shareholders historically demanded accountability - maybe it's fine for now, but all it takes is some management that you can't kick out, paying themselves extortionate salaries and driving the company into th…

It's actually a crime in the US not to manage a public company in the interest of the shareholders. (There was a large case which Ford lost establishing the way this is interpreted now which many people argue is why it gets interpreted in such a shortsighted way so often although personally I'm not sure.) It makes sense, you're disposing of the capital the shareholders own.

No, it isn't a crime.

Dodge v. Ford Motor Co. was a civil case, not a criminal case. And it was in the Michigan Supreme Court so has no standing in the other 49 states.

And in practice the "business judgement rule" makes it very easy for businesses to do whatever they want as long as they have a vaguely plausible explanation for how it helps the business as a whole. ("We need to buy a private jet for our CEO because he is integral to our growth and success.")

Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

#183
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Congrats to the team here. Let it be a lesson for anyone worried that “their idea has been taken” or “there already solutions for this” out there.

The missing piece that this perspective leaves out is that Figma's success is at least partially due to timing of the rise of flat design. I wrote about this in my analysis of software transitions, here's the relevant section (https://blog.robenkleene.com/2023/06/19/software-transitions...):

> In the section on Photoshop to Sketch, we discussed an underappreciated factor in Sketch’s, and by extension, Figma’s, success: That flat design shifted the category of design software from professional creative software to something more akin to an office suite app (presentation software, like Google Slides, being the closest sibling). By the time work was starting on Figma in 2012, office suite software had already been long available and popular on the web, Google Docs was first released in 2006. This explains why no other application has been able to follow in Figma’s footsteps by bringing creative software to the web: Figma didn’t blaze a trail for other professional creative software to move to the web, instead Sketch blazed a trail for design software to become office suite software, a category that was already successful on the web.

It's still difficult for me to wrap my head around that this has actually happened, because it's unheard of in other media editing industries for software to go backwards in capabilities. I always compare it to if movies suddenly stopped needing special effects, then of course the entire existing movie-making pipeline would be re-evaluated.

Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

#184
post #161

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That was certainly not my intention. Nothing but respect for what they’ve built. Only pointing out that they entered a crowded space that already had “winners” in it, and succeeded.

Except it was not a crowded space. They did a bunch of stuff no one else was (or is) doing right from the start. Being entirely in the browser, real-time collaboration, vector networks…

You are confusing technology for product.

The product space they entered, UX design tooling, was very crowded. Sketch and InVision were the kings and there were a dozen other reasonable options to choose from (including ones in browser with real time collab and other interesting tech).

Figma entered that market later and won on a combination of technology and product innovation aka execution.

But they absolutely entered a crowded market.

Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

#185
post #61

Congrats to the team here. Let it be a lesson for anyone worried that “their idea has been taken” or “there already solutions for this” out there.

> Let it be a lesson for anyone worried that “their idea has been taken” or “there already solutions for this” out there. I have nothing but respect for Figma's tech, but I'm not really sure this lesson is generalizable to 99.9% of other people. By all accounts Evan Wallace has skills and talent the vast majority of software developers don't have and never will have. The reason Figma was able to succeed in this space…

I'm pretty sure almost nothing involved in building a multi billion dollar business is generalizable to even .01% of other things

Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

#187
post #61

Congrats to the team here. Let it be a lesson for anyone worried that “their idea has been taken” or “there already solutions for this” out there.

> Let it be a lesson for anyone worried that “their idea has been taken” or “there already solutions for this” out there. I have nothing but respect for Figma's tech, but I'm not really sure this lesson is generalizable to 99.9% of other people. By all accounts Evan Wallace has skills and talent the vast majority of software developers don't have and never will have. The reason Figma was able to succeed in this space…

Yea I'm not trying to take away from any of that, nor provide generalized advice. Only addressing the crowd of people who will shy away from pursuing (or poo poo others) when their idea isn't some sort of original innovation that nobody's ever thought of before.

Every successful company had some sort of edge. Some sort of advantage that other companies in the space don't have. For Figma that was high level tech execution. For something like, say, LaunchDarkly, that was a killer enterprise sales team. For something like Liquid Death, it was pure marketing and positioning. Just to use some other examples of companies that launched into crowded spaces and succeeded.

It could be anything, but it's always something, and no advice should be generalized.

Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

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post #113

> The table above does not reflect our renewed cloud hosting agreement with a third-party provider, entered into on May 31, 2025. Under the terms of the non-cancellable agreement, we committed to purchase a minimum of $545.0 million in cloud hosting services over the next five years. This renewed agreement replaces a previous agreement with the provider. $300k/DAY AWS bill. I wonder what the "non-cancellable" savings…

why is it so high? all of their high performance stuff is on device wasm, so all of that just to host their website and like collab features or some such?

Nvidia GPUs/Aws ai offerings?

Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

#189

Headline financials: FY Ended December 31, in millions except percentage | 2023 | 2024 | YoY ---------------|--------|--------|------- revenue | $505 | $749 | 48% gross profit | $460 | $661 | 44% op ex | $534 | $1,539 | 118% net income | $738 | $(732) | (199)% free cash flow | $1,041 | $68 | (93)%

What happened in 2024 that caused their operating expenses to increase so much?

If they were planning to IPO, they will have put in place a strategy to maximise the numbers for the year prior.

So the numbers for the year before IPO may have no relation to future.

Re: Figma files for proposed IPO

#190
A bit off-topic, but I really wish we had a system where we could make bets to pit public companies that develop closed source software against its FOSS alternatives.

In the example here: people would bet by either buying $100 worth of Figma shares, or they could buy $50 worth of put options and give $50 to the developers of Penpot.

Would something like that be legal or does it violate any type of trading regulations?

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