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Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by atonse »

dakiol wrote: post #99
atonse wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you’ll be an extreme minority. I won’t go near a code editor anymore without AI integrated deeply.

And I suspect you are an extreme minority. Among senior and staff engineers I barely see them leaving behind emacs, vim and jetbrains… none of them with ai plug-ins.

Let me clarify. Things are only going in one direction.

So if you’re not in the minority now, you will be in time.

This is not a “tech bro” thing (as someone else said). There is real substance to it.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by culebron21 »

I wonder if they advertize the editor as the most AI-enabled, how much do they vibecode the editor themselves? /s

Jokes aside, after SublimeText as the main tool, and VSCode for Rust debugging, I'm trying this one. Now with more themes and plugins than a year ago, it can be set up to look and function a lot better.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by timeinput »

candrewlee wrote: post #7

Zed is fantastic. I've been making the leap from neovim to zed lately, and it's been an great experience. Everything feels snappy, and I love how well they've integrated Vim bindings. Their agent mode is nice as well. It's clearly an underdog to VSCode, so the extension ecosystem isn't quite there yet... but for a lot of the things I've used it for, it's sufficient. The debugger has been the big missing feature for m…

I'm curious about how vimmy the vim bindings are?

Every time I've encountered a vim emulator I've found it is just close enough that my fingers are doing the wrong things so often it's frustrating. Almost to the point where I would prefer a non-vimmy editor since at least then my fingers always do the wrong thing.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by mixmastamyk »

haiku2077 wrote: post #145
mixmastamyk wrote: post #139

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Probably also requires an api key, no? So would be difficult to force. I have a firewall, OpenSnitch, so don’t have to worry much about programs trying to connect. But definitely would prefer they don’t unless directed. How does zed handle it?

There's a pair of config settings to turn off all of the AI features: features.edit_prediction_provider=none agent.enabled=false There's additional config to set if inline assistance is automatic, only when the user presses a key, fully disabled, etc.

I’d prefer an option at first start perhaps, to turn it on.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by esamatti »

timeinput wrote: post #183
candrewlee wrote: post #7

Zed is fantastic. I've been making the leap from neovim to zed lately, and it's been an great experience. Everything feels snappy, and I love how well they've integrated Vim bindings. Their agent mode is nice as well. It's clearly an underdog to VSCode, so the extension ecosystem isn't quite there yet... but for a lot of the things I've used it for, it's sufficient. The debugger has been the big missing feature for m…

I'm curious about how vimmy the vim bindings are? Every time I've encountered a vim emulator I've found it is just close enough that my fingers are doing the wrong things so often it's frustrating. Almost to the point where I would prefer a non-vimmy editor since at least then my fingers always do the wrong thing.

To me it has been the best "vim" that is not a real Vim. Way way better than the vscode plugin. I have used Vim and later Neovim since 2008 or so. Zed is the first non-vim I am truly happy with.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by wirybeige »

mort96 wrote: post #167
seabass wrote: post #144

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It's trivial to disable it. I wouldn't let that hold you back from using an amazing editor!

I just tried it out again. It seems like you can disable the chat bot integration by adding this to the config: "agent": { "enabled": false } However from the documentation[1] I can't see a way to disable the "AI" predictions button (which asks you to sign in to their online "AI" service with your GitHub account). Am I missing something? [1] https://zed.dev/docs/configuring-zed#edit-predictions

Setting this to none should remove that button. "features": { "edit_prediction_provider": "none" }

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by evilduck »

mort96 wrote: post #166
karaterobot wrote: post #162

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It's an unexpected position to take, though. You said you had been interested in Zed until they integrated AI. The response was "the AI is completely optional", which I'd expect would make you more likely to use Zed, since it removes your objection. But it doesn't change your position at all, which makes me suspect it's not that you're worried the AI would interfere with your workflow, but that it's there at all. So,…

I'm not interested in using text editors with chat bot integration, hope this clarifies things

So you're just here to be an AI curmudgeon with no valuable input to the debugger conversation topic whatsoever, with no experience with Zed and no intent to ever even try it? Thanks for all the relevant and useful hot takes I guess.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by eddythompson80 »

jen20 wrote: post #123
sapiogram wrote: post #56

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It's so incredibly frustrating. Text rendering is the primary feature of a code editor, but no one on the Zed team seems to use a non-retina screen. Github issue for context: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/7992

> but no one on the Zed team seems to use a non-retina screen This is not that surprising to me. Surely no-one wants to spend their day looking at the pixels?

And do what the the few devices with perfectly fine 1080 or 1440p displays? Just throw them away?

My laptop display is fine. My desktop's 1440p is blurry, any external display at the office is blurry. So what? use Zed on my laptop when I'm using the built-in display, then switch editors if I'm switching monitors?

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by eddythompson80 »

senko wrote: post #62
sapiogram wrote: post #55

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Are you using dark mode? To me, text looks absolutely awful in light mode, but okay in dark mode. Still noticeably worse than any other editors, though.

This may be it. I use it in dark mode and I am considerably less picky about font rendering than many people commenting on such threads. Combined, while I can see a difference if I look closely, it doesn't bother me.

Lucky you. It's very blurry. For me I open any other text editor next to it and immediately realize where that headache was coming from.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by sureglymop »

nlitened wrote: post #30
sureglymop wrote: post #21

It's a niche feature, but what's keeping me from switching yet is that they zed doesn't support ctrl+scroll to zoom/change font size yet. Because I am accustomed to a non-US keyboard layout that doesn't make the regular key bindings for changing zoom easy, I got too used to doing it this way. It's honestly looking to be a great modern IDE with almost everything I'm wishing for.

It is funny that accidental scroll while holding Ctrl changing font size is one of my most hated features in IDEs, like who the hell ever needs to change their optimal font size to any other value. It's fascinating to me that this is a dealbreakingly important feature for someone else.

Well it seems quite expected doesn't it. Different people and groups of people have different customization needs. I change my font size if I sit back or in a different position or use my standing desks.
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