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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by zefalt »

affinepplan wrote: post #173
zefalt wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obstructing a federal officer. Watch the video. Any average citizen would be arrested and detained. https://x.com/w_terrence/status/1935025940075266435

I've watched the video several times. > Any average citizen would be arrested and detained. yes, ICE thugs would probably behave equally lawlessly towards any civilian challenging them for a warrant. that doesn't make what happened less horrifying.

Your choice of words reveals a lot. Don't manipulate words to serve your conclusion.

They are not "thugs". They are federal officers.

ICE did not behave "lawlessly". They are upholding federal law. In fact, it was Brad Lander who acted lawlessly.

This constant manipulation of words is tiring. I don't find what happened "horrifying" at all. Anyone impeding the law should face its consequences.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by timr »

kevinh wrote: post #178
timr wrote: post #176

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> If a bunch of armed thugs who aren't wearing uniforms or badges show up and abduct someone citizens don't have the right or obligation to do something about it? Sure you do. Call the police. Record it, capture the details for evidence. > Just stand back and watch? Again, you're welcome to call the police. But no, you don't just get to rush in and start interfering because your sophisticated understanding of the cir…

A few days ago someone shot people while pretending to be a police officer. Someone impersonating ICE for kidnapping isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Right. So your logic is: because someone, somewhere, once did something illegal while dressed as a police officer, we should interfere with every arrest, everywhere, because they might be fake police?

Or are you just restricting this logic to plainclothes officers, who aren't wearing uniforms at all?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by apparent »

kevinh wrote: post #178
timr wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a bunch of armed thugs who aren't wearing uniforms or badges show up and abduct someone citizens don't have the right or obligation to do something about it? Sure you do. Call the police. Record it, capture the details for evidence. > Just stand back and watch? Again, you're welcome to call the police. But no, you don't just get to rush in and start interfering because your sophisticated understanding of the cir…

A few days ago someone shot people while pretending to be a police officer. Someone impersonating ICE for kidnapping isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Yes, and a few days ago some "peacekeepers" in UT tried to shoot someone whom they perceived to be a threat, and ended up shooting and killing a bystander nearby. Situations are complicated, and assuming you know what's going on, and that you can help, is presumptuous.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by apparent »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #160
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #19

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> we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, I'm upset because a US citizen was arrested for asking a reasonable question to some government officials before complying with the government officials.

I suspect ICE just helped elect Brad Lander.

Despite his best efforts to use this situation to make a name for himself, and despite the many shortcomings of his opponents, he will likely not be elected.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by ensignavenger »

kevingadd wrote: post #172
timr wrote: post #139

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> I'm upset because a US citizen was arrested for asking a reasonable question to some government officials before complying with the government officials. Some basic facts are true here: a) Brad Lander had no official capacity in that situation. b) As a random person, he had no right to demand to see any documents, whatsoever, from the people doing the arrest. c) Even if he thought the detention was illegal , and th…

If a bunch of armed thugs who aren't wearing uniforms or badges show up and abduct someone, citizens don't have the right or obligation to do something about it? Just stand back and watch? That's the world you want to live in, one where kidnappings are normal?

They were wearing uniforms, I watched the video. Badges were not clearly visible in the video, but they certainly had uniforms.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by cosmicgadget »

lmm wrote: post #134
cosmicgadget wrote: post #129

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You can always downvote or skip the article. Flagging it makes the decision for everyone else.

> You can always downvote You literally can't. There's no downvote button for articles.

Touche, just skip then.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by apparent »

nemomarx wrote: post #14
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #2

Call your elected representatives. Attend a protest. Make noise. Above all else, protect your family, friends, and neighbors. We do not have to sit back and let this happen.

they did just shoot two elected representatives so I think we're a little beyond protests working

Only one person shot two elected representatives, and AFAIK, his pronouns are not "they". There is zero evidence that he is part of some larger plan, and I have seen zero evidence of anyone cheering on his heinous acts (unlike with a recent left-wing murderer, who was lauded as upstanding and handsome).

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

timr wrote: post #170
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #164

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The ununiformed, masked men that refuse to identify themselves and won't show any legal documents have unilateral authority and cannot be questioned. Do not resist. You will not receive a trial. You will be sent to a black site. Your family or lawyer will not be informed. America: home of the free.

> The ununiformed, masked men that refuse to identify themselves and won't show any legal documents have unilateral authority and cannot be questioned. Do not resist. Again, Brad Lander was not being detained. He had nothing to do with anything. That's not "resistance", it's just interference.

Brad Lander saw unidentified, masked, ununiformed men who refused to speak, had no legal documentation, and would not identify themselves to anyone carrying a man against his will.

I hope it's not against the rules to swear, but this cannot be stated clearly enough: That's called a fucking kidnapping.

Did you not hear that someone pretending to be LEO attempted (and succeed in one case) the political assassination of two legislators and their spouses this weekend? More than ever, every single LEO should be under scrutiny for identification! He has every right to prevent a man from being disappeared by God knows who!

You may be a boot-stepping authoritarian who fully condones a US gestapo who can disappear anyone without question. The rest of us have higher standards and common sense.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by affinepplan »

zefalt wrote: post #181
affinepplan wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've watched the video several times. > Any average citizen would be arrested and detained. yes, ICE thugs would probably behave equally lawlessly towards any civilian challenging them for a warrant. that doesn't make what happened less horrifying.

Your choice of words reveals a lot. Don't manipulate words to serve your conclusion. They are not "thugs". They are federal officers. ICE did not behave "lawlessly". They are upholding federal law. In fact, it was Brad Lander who acted lawlessly. This constant manipulation of words is tiring. I don't find what happened "horrifying" at all. Anyone impeding the law should face its consequences.

> They are not "thugs". They are federal officers.

are they? maybe they should identify themselves as such with names, badge numbers, and warrants?

> They are upholding federal law.

they clearly aren't given the number of court cases the Trump administration is rapidly losing related to its deportation activity.

> This constant manipulation of words is tiring

this constant sanewashing of cruelty is tiring. you should find it horrifying.

but I'm not going to go in circles with you. I hope you eventually look back on this part of your life with shame about your beliefs and who and what you defended.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by apparent »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #168
edoceo wrote: post #119

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Nit: 2 officials, 2 spouses.

You don't think Jill Biden was the duly elected First Lady?

She was the First Lady, but she was not elected in any way. Do you remember seeing her name on a ballot? I don't.

That's why the voting public were shocked to find out she was helping lead cabinet meetings. The good doctor was not elected.

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