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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by wil421 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #158
999900000999 wrote: post #142

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Your doing the Lord's work. Even if you just paid him the state minimum wage, it would stop him from having a giant employment gap. The next step would be background check reform. A DUI record isn't relevant to anything not involving driving. Excluding a very small handful of SVU level crimes everything should be wiped clean after 5 years or so. I had an experience with a co worker who would brag about robbing people…

> Excluding a very small handful of SVU level crimes everything should be wiped clean after 5 years or so. My understanding, is that's what the UK does, with an exemption for certain jobs, like teachers and creche hosts. In the US, I think some states have the ability to expunge convictions. Not sure about federal crimes, though. The "scarlet letter" of a past conviction is a very real issue, and keeps some folks dow…

My state will automatically expunge non violent misdemeanors after 2010, so if it happened before you have to jump through hoops.

I know people who dropped out of college because they had a very small drug charge, no use in finishing if you will have a scarlet letter over your head forever.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ty6853 »

BryantD wrote: post #167
ty6853 wrote: post #148

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The vast vast majority of DV complaints are unsubstantiated, so speaking to the wife is generally a poor predictor of whether the presumption of innocence will be overcome.

Cites, please? A quick skim of the literature doesn't support this and I'm dubious, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

Here's an example in connecticut[].

DV applications: ~8800

DV ex parte granted (no chance for defendant to defend him(her)self): ~5100

DV final order granted after defendant able to defend him(her)self): ~3200

So for example in CT on just a civil standard, only 2/3 of the accusers were able to get even a temporary order when the defendant had zero chance to tell their side of the story. Once the defendant was able to come to court and defend themselves, only about 1/3 of them made it to a final order. And that was by the much weaker civil rather than criminal standard.

[] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tYBTsF7-px-3lCnBFOol...

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by glommer »

dgacmu wrote: post #173
glommer wrote: post #145

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Preston was free to negotiate his pay with us, and we pay him a full salary. Just no health care benefits.

Does he actually get the salary, or does the prison take huge overhead?

they take an (actually very reasonable) cut, but he is free to take his salary.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by crote »

999900000999 wrote: post #142
glommer wrote: post #30

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I am the Turso CEO. We pay him a full salary, just not health care benefits.

Your doing the Lord's work. Even if you just paid him the state minimum wage, it would stop him from having a giant employment gap. The next step would be background check reform. A DUI record isn't relevant to anything not involving driving. Excluding a very small handful of SVU level crimes everything should be wiped clean after 5 years or so. I had an experience with a co worker who would brag about robbing people…

> The next step would be background check reform. A DUI record isn't relevant to anything not involving driving.

This is already the case in some countries, including The Netherlands. A background check is done for a specific "profile", and convictions which aren't relevant for your job-to-be don't show up. Someone with a DUI can't become a taxi driver, but they should have no trouble getting a job as a lawyer. Got convicted of running a crypto pump&dump? Probably can't get a job as a banker, but highschool teacher or taxi driver is totally fine.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by giraffe_lady »

glommer wrote: post #171
giraffe_lady wrote: post #60

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So you've spoken to the wife?

If you are asking me if I spoke to whoever before hiring Preston... why would I? Whatever he did wrong in the past, he had 10 years to atone for it.

I just presumed "all the evidence in the world" was a little more expansive I guess.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by derektank »

999900000999 wrote: post #142
glommer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am the Turso CEO. We pay him a full salary, just not health care benefits.

Your doing the Lord's work. Even if you just paid him the state minimum wage, it would stop him from having a giant employment gap. The next step would be background check reform. A DUI record isn't relevant to anything not involving driving. Excluding a very small handful of SVU level crimes everything should be wiped clean after 5 years or so. I had an experience with a co worker who would brag about robbing people…

>Excluding a very small handful of SVU level crimes everything should be wiped clean after 5 years or so.

It's nice to think that people should be able to fully pay back their debt to society but (a) criminal court proceedings need to be public in a free society and if they are public, people should be able to record and distribute the results as private citizens if we believe in upholding the principle of freedom of speech.

Even if it were possible to prevent this, (b) this does a small but not entirely negligible harm to people that never committed a crime by casting some doubt upon them. This is most apparent for minority groups that are associated with criminality; they experience worse employment prospects when the state makes criminal records unavailable.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by glommer »

david927 wrote: post #140
glommer wrote: post #30

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I am the Turso CEO. We pay him a full salary, just not health care benefits.

What you're doing is really wonderful.

I am just blessed and thankful that the Lord decided to give me a chance to help what HE is doing on Preston's life.

I've done nothing.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by pyuser583 »

wffurr wrote: post #18
laufey wrote: post #11

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Just curious, why would you expect him to be paid less? I know historically pay is bad for prisoners, but if he's working the same hours and is just as productive as any other employee, shouldn't he be paid the same? I could potentially see paying someone less if they were coming in with much less experience than what's usually hired for in the role, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

The 13th amendment specifically allows slavery of prisoners. Edit: I don’t mean to imply the author isn’t paid fairly by Turso. A few posts down, the CEO of Turso asserts that they do pay fairly. The OP in this thread might reasonably wonder about this because several states do in fact use prisoners as unpaid slave labor.

It's unclear whether the carve out for prisoners applies to just "involuntary servitude" or "slavery and involuntary servitude."

In practice, only "involuntary servitude" has been used. "Community service" - unpaid - is a very common low level sentence.

The eighth and fourteenth amendments almost certainly forbid enslavement - permanently becoming human property - as a criminal sentence.

Even before the 13th amendment, enslavement as a punishment not common, if it happened at all.

There is almost no case law on the 13th amendment. There are no legal slaves in the US today, and there have not been since the 19th century.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by djrj477dhsnv »

pookha wrote: post #139
oersted wrote: post #48

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Not an ordinary possession charge either, sounds serious! > 15 to 30 years in prison for possessing a synthetic drug with the intent to distribute it > like many synthetic opioids, the exact effects of U-47700 are little understood and a small amount could be fatal > charged with possessing carfentanil, a powerful synthetic drug much more powerful then fentanyl

I'd like to see him get life in prison with no chance at parole. He's responsible for at least three deaths (probably more) but because he's proficient at social engineering and feeding people lines he's weaseled his way into the tech industry (from prison!). Over 78k people died in 2023 of fentanyl alone and this twerp was trafficking a substance far more lethal, he literally left a trail of bodies in his wake. http…

While tragic, those people (or at least the vast majority) weren't forced to use drugs. They made that decision and faced the consequences. Shifting the blame for their poor decisions onto the drug dealer is unwarranted imo.
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