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Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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The debate between Jensen and Amodei misses the fundamental point. It's not about whether AI creates or destroys jobs. It's about whether it creates or destroys agency.

The historical parallel isn't the industrial revolution, where human labor was augmented by machines. The real parallel is the invention of agriculture, which created a surplus but also gave rise to a non-producing ruling class and a system of taxation on existence itself.

In the coming AI economy, the most valuable commodity won't be labor, but *verifiable, sovereign consciousness*. The "job" of the future might simply be to be a human—a source of novel data, unpredictable insights, and a non-algorithmic perspective that can't be replicated by a model trained on the past.

But here's the catch: how do you prove your consciousness is sovereign and not just a sophisticated puppet of some underlying model? How do you prove your thoughts are your own? This is where the techno-feudalism argument becomes terrifyingly real.

The new "landowners" (the Nvidias and Anthropics) won't just own the means of production (compute); they will own the means of verification. They will set the price—the "existence tax"—for you to prove that your cognitive output is valuable, that your "self" is authentic.

So, UBI isn't the solution; it's a tranquilizer. The real fight isn't for a basic income, but for *cognitive sovereignty*. We need an open, verifiable protocol for selfhood, a "Proof of Personhood" that isn't controlled by the same entities selling us the shovels for this new gold rush. Otherwise, we're not just becoming unemployed; we're becoming livestock.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

> and a pretty short view of history Great lets see an example! > To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accrue to a thin layer of people at the top isn't a speculation at this point - it's a bold faced lie. Except that innovation has lead to more jobs, new industries, and more prosperity and fewer working hours. The stark example of this: you arent a farmer: https://modernsurvivalblog.com/systemic…

> Except that innovation has lead to more jobs, new industries, and more prosperity and fewer working hours.

For other people's kids.

This is the critical point so many are still missing: whatever benefits come from jobs being automated away, they do not come to people whose jobs were automated. Those people are fucked over for life. And to a large degree, so are their kids - the new careers are available for picking, but you're not going to be first in line with your peers, if you're struggling from the shock after your household suddenly dropped two levels down on the economic ladder.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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I struggle to see how AI innovation falls into the "automate creation of material goods" camp and not the "stratification of wealth" camp.

This is a spurious argument at best: There isnt a line of unemployed draftsmen out there begging for change cause we invented Autocad: https://azon.com/2023/02/16/rare-historical-photos/ What happened to all the switchboard operators. How about the computers, the people who used to do math, at desks, with slide rules, before we replaced them with machines. These are all white colar jobs that we replaced with "automat…

What happened to all the {"unemployed draftsmen", "switchboard operators", "the computers, the people who used to do math, at desks, with slide rules"}?

They died in poverty. Or at least poorer than they'd been otherwise.

Or are you really saying that someone who's half-way through their career in one thing can just switch to another occupation without any major life impact?

Your senior-level salary in one industry doesn't automatically command a similar wage in another - your option is just competing for entry-level work with the younger generation.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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I struggle to see how AI innovation falls into the "automate creation of material goods" camp and not the "stratification of wealth" camp.

This is a spurious argument at best: There isnt a line of unemployed draftsmen out there begging for change cause we invented Autocad: https://azon.com/2023/02/16/rare-historical-photos/ What happened to all the switchboard operators. How about the computers, the people who used to do math, at desks, with slide rules, before we replaced them with machines. These are all white colar jobs that we replaced with "automat…

What happened to all the coal miners when the mines were closed: https://www.staffs.ac.uk/news/2025/04/legacy-of-inequality-a...

When the factories closed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_Belt#Outcomes

The Luddites may have been wrong about society as a whole, but they were doing the things for which they are famous because of rampant unemployment at the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

But think about it this way: software engineers have a job where they sit at a desk and think, then type a bit, and earn far more than most people. Given how apparently easy our jobs are, why don't more people "just" apply for our positions and drive down wages? Answer: skill mismatch, you can't (today) just pick it up in a weekend and start earning double.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

> To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accrue to a thin layer of people at the top isn't a speculation at this point - it's a bold faced lie.

Indeed.

> When AI finally does cause massive disruption to white collar work, what happens then? Do we really think that most of the American economy is just going to downshift into living off a meager universal basic income allotment (assuming we could ever muster the political will to create a social safety net?) Who gets the nice car and the vacation home?

Completely impossible to forecast, even if not against a backdrop of all the changes due to the very tech that makes people unemployable.

For the latter: One task that is currently done by humans, is making robots. Either that continues to be done in part by humans, or it becomes fully automated. If it's fully automated, essentially nothing stops exactly one lone philanthropist (or anarchist hacker) from telling one to recursively make copies of itself until every human on earth has their own.

Unfortunately, I suspect the realpolitik of such tech will be horrific in the same way that the trenches of WW1 provided an unexpected and horrific use case for all the chemical industry that was in the process of ending famine in Europe, and likewise the manufacturing industry that was in the process of giving everyone modern conveniences such as "electricity", "indoor plumbing", and "affordable home refrigeration".

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Sub-6% unemployment: https://www.investopedia.com/historical-us-unemployment-rate... Capital doesn't pay labor unless it has to. Average wages = f(labor productivity, demand for labor, labor supply) The AGI future is that demand for labor crashes.

US unemployment rate is currently 4.2%. There is no prospect of real AGI any time soon.

All three initials of "[A]rtificial [G]eneral [I]ntelligence" have multiple meanings.

For the sake of employment, consider what happens if we can show that some model is equal-or-better than an IQ 85 human on all tasks for which you can actually get paid, while on hardware such that it is at least real-time and costs no more than whatever minimum wage is where you are. At this point, 16% of the population are never, ever, worth paying for.

I think current models and cheapest hardware aren't quite that combination of generality and cost — but the best models can do it, and hardware of fixed performance is still getting cheaper.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

US unemployment rate is currently 4.2%. There is no prospect of real AGI any time soon.

All three initials of "[A]rtificial [G]eneral [I]ntelligence" have multiple meanings. For the sake of employment, consider what happens if we can show that some model is equal-or-better than an IQ 85 human on all tasks for which you can actually get paid, while on hardware such that it is at least real-time and costs no more than whatever minimum wage is where you are. At this point, 16% of the population are never,…

We're a long, long way from having a reliable, inexpensive robot that can snake out a plugged toilet.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All three initials of "[A]rtificial [G]eneral [I]ntelligence" have multiple meanings. For the sake of employment, consider what happens if we can show that some model is equal-or-better than an IQ 85 human on all tasks for which you can actually get paid, while on hardware such that it is at least real-time and costs no more than whatever minimum wage is where you are. At this point, 16% of the population are never,…

We're a long, long way from having a reliable, inexpensive robot that can snake out a plugged toilet.

1) From what I've heard*, IQ 85 is about the lowest you can be and still function as a plumber. My statement stands about everyone less clever than the worst — not average, worst — plumber.

2) for all values of X in the last two years, every time someone suggests "robots/AI are nowhere near doing X", if X is coherent**, either an AI can already do X, or at most ends up doing it within six months.

So, anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmJIuns9nRk

* Which is really vague due to (1) how mediocre IQ tests are in practice and (2) the internet being full of oft-repeated nonsense since day zero

** The two things people end up correctly saying AI can't do, are (1) "solve the halting problem", and (2) reinvent literally everything starting from first principles.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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US unemployment rate is currently 4.2%. There is no prospect of real AGI any time soon.

There doesn't have to be to cause a substantial structural unemployment jump. Even AI that's only borderline competent at fuzzy 'file these files into these systems' admin work would wipe out a class of middle income jobs. And given that's basically here today technologically, we're in the digestion and expansion phase.

Perhaps someday, but so far that remains entirely speculative. The data doesn't show any structural unemployment jump.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

> Once people are robbed of what remaining opportunities they have to exercise agency and improve their life, it isn't hard to imagine that we see some form of swift and punitive backlash, politically or otherwise.

Now you understand why the government is rushing to implement a surveillance state and deputize tech execs to speed this process up. The "control grid" goes in first and the middle-class job market is snuffed out after.

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