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Meta invests $14.3B in Scale AI to kick-start superintelligence lab

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I don't think people understand that once you're a billionaire with full ownership of your business and no risk of being ousted, making or losing billions is irrelevant.

Billionaires don't stop caring about looking like dumbasses just because they're extremely wealthy.

If they cared about how they looked, they wouldn't be doing what they do.

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Of all the tech companies, Meta is the most ruthless and shameless. You'd have to be a total fool to trust Zuck, especially Zuck who put billions into AR for not much return and now billions into AI to create lackluster lagging models.

> Of all the tech companies, Meta is the most ruthless and shameless. Have you seen Oracle?

Not sure if this is true any more, but they used to make a majority of their revenue by suing their own customers.

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Spending $15B to hire a 28 year old to build you some AI is certainly a move. You can call Zuck many things, but "afraid to take risks" isn't one of them.

I actually ran into the Zuck eating Thai(could be wrong) food in Palo Alto at night. He was having dinner with his wife at the restaurants outdoor seating, sure looked risky for someone as important as him.

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From my perspective, Meta is doing pretty reasonable with their AI compared to eg Apple. What is their end goal with AI? I understand Google, Anthropic and OpenAI try to cater to a certain audience with their AI products. I understand the way Apple wants (but is failing) to integrate AI into their products. What’s Meta’s strategy here? What’s their vision?

Meta monetizes content. AI makes it easier and cheaper to create content. If everyone has access to high quality AI, high quality content may be more plentiful and that content can be posted on Meta's platforms, which would make it more money.

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The risk here is that you've now put a person with no track record of success outside of being good at sales in charge of your AI efforts. You're betting that he's going to be the one to attract talent. The right leadership might be able to get talent to work for a discount. The wrong one would lead to talent not coming at all.

What the commenter is saying is that this is no risk at all because $14B is negligible money for Meta at a year-long scale. It can always be written off as an investment that didn't work. In a company with $1.73T market cap, this is sometimes the loss you get in a single day of trading.

Yes, $14B can be considered negligible, but it's a signal. My bet is that it's not a great one. Wang has been great at courting clients, time will tell us about how that translate to leadership.

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The risk here is that you've now put a person with no track record of success outside of being good at sales in charge of your AI efforts. You're betting that he's going to be the one to attract talent. The right leadership might be able to get talent to work for a discount. The wrong one would lead to talent not coming at all.

If Meta is known for anything besides user privacy violations it's for taking risks that often pay off. They were laughed at for overpaying for Instagram and Whatsapp, yet both were instrumental to their current success. Their continued bet on VR is still highly criticized, yet they were the first Big Tech company in the space, they're the current market leaders, and I'm sure it will have huge ROI in the near future.…

'Laughed at', but one of the things that's probably very likely also true is 'Now a prime target for antitrust violations' especially Whatsapp

Acquisitions do happen but it's telling when the people whose company you bought publically disparage you (in other words it wasn't a peaceful takeover)

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Reminds me of "Don't dig for the gold, sell the shovels". Could also be read: > Meta spends 10% of last year's revenue to acquire 49% of a top AI data company and poach their leadership, to ensure they are a key player in what could be a ~5-trillion dollar industry by 2033. Meta has a history of this. Acquiring Oculus (and leaning in on VR), Ray-Ban partnership (and leaning in on AR)... etc. These all just seem like…

What top AI company? Certainly not Scale, right? You realise that frontier labs don't really use Scale anymore exactly because they can't be trusted not to sell their secret-sauce human data collection protocols. No-one in the industry takes this guy seriously.

It's always a warning sign where the only thing I know about a CEO is how many podcasts and media events they do each week, and nothing about their business.

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Spending $15B to hire a 28 year old to build you some AI is certainly a move. You can call Zuck many things, but "afraid to take risks" isn't one of them.

He was spending $5b a year on whatever the metaverse was supposed to be and even renamed the company. Does anyone here use it? I think he weathers what I consider failure well. Or, conversely he can take big risks without too much blowback.

it's 5b a quarter

Re: Meta invests $14.3B in Scale AI to kick-start superintelligence lab

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post #79

Spending $15B to hire a 28 year old to build you some AI is certainly a move. You can call Zuck many things, but "afraid to take risks" isn't one of them.

He was spending $5b a year on whatever the metaverse was supposed to be and even renamed the company. Does anyone here use it? I think he weathers what I consider failure well. Or, conversely he can take big risks without too much blowback.

He would still be unbelievably rich even if Meta went bankrupt. He is in the unique position to have majority control of one of the world's largest tech companies and can pretty much use it to do what ever he wants. I doubt he cares much about Facebook past it's ability to generate money at this point.
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