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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by [deleted] »

AngryData wrote: post #167
sandspar wrote: post #83

I support banning porn. You've got coordinated "teams" of men, most of them diagnosable sociopaths, who work as a group to manipulate and destroy teenagers. For every one woman you see on a porn website, there's a network of 10 men who are working as a coordinated team to manipulate her. Most of the young women are from broken homes, many of them are low IQ, and many of them were sexually abused as children by male a…

Im sorry but you sound completely delusional to me. Whats next, rock and roll turns kids satanic?

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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by zemvpferreira »

derefr wrote: post #148
zemvpferreira wrote: post #144

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Like with anything, you need to do a proper job educating your kids before trusting safeguards to keep them safe. That would be my bet for a scalable solution. Some kids will still drown, it’s unavoidable. But swimming lessons are much more effective at preventing drowning deaths than fences.

I somewhat agree with your point, but I'd quibble with the analogy, and its implication about the usefulness/importance of fences. I'd argue that the Internet is less like water, and more like a freeway. (It is the "information super-highway", after all!) We do put (quite tall) fences up between freeways and residential areas (or between freeways and areas with wildlife!), and for good reason: unlike deep water (that…

Fair and I'll run with it. Where I live (Lisbon) it's very very easy to get to unprotected highways with no fences. No trouble at all, maybe a 15-minute walk from my home. No epidemic of kids being run over. We still fence them, where we want to pretend highways don't exist. Also a good analogy.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by Dylan16807 »

sunshine-o wrote: post #69
landl0rd wrote: post #36

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Correct. I believe it has to be court-ordered and even then it's rare. DNA testing is also generally illegal unless for medical reasons. They claim this is to "uphold family peace" because "fatherhood is social, not biological". It seems incredibly wrong to me in that they are removing the father's right to choose whether to enter that social role when it is not biologically mandated.

So even if requested by the mother? Because I was once shocked to learn how easily it is in some countries (like Portugal) for a woman to have the court force a man to submit to a paternity test [0]. I also heard (I guess a few decades ago) the courts would start automatically an investigation on their own when no man would recognise a child at birth. - [0] https://www.tpalaw.pt/xms/files/BANGA_Site/Paternity_investi…

I assume the difficulty is focused on testing someone that's already listed as the father.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by yhavr »

mdp2021 wrote: post #177
yhavr wrote: post #157

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besides porn, things like facebook, tiktok, instagram, reddit... generalising, it's everything that acts as a button "gib me more novelty" that one can press as much and as frequently as they want. surely, not everybody is hooked by these things, and it's definitely possible to use them without harm, but sometimes it requires training and (self-)awareness.

But every source of pleasure could create addiction, so it is not valid to point to a specific one, and the requirement of self control and gratification delay remains generally fundamental.

Not every source of pleasure is equally addictive by its nature.

However, I'm not talking about _addiction_, but messing with the dopaminergic system. It's, I'd say a specific kind of "pleasure" with particular mechanisms to trigger.

The problem here is not that a person "is not having control over doing, taking or using something to the point where it could be harmful to them" (https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/addiction-support/addiction-wha...). The problem is that the reward system gets broken. If a person is actually addicted to instagram scrolling, like people are addicted to smoking, it just adds another layer of complexity. As I observing from myself, "checking stuff on my phone" looks like a bad habit rather than an addiction.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by sltkr »

LPisGood wrote: post #168
sltkr wrote: post #161

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Where's your evidence for that claim? Personally I worked for a FAANG company that took data protection quite seriously. I would love to say that it was because they cared so much about their customer's privacy (which was of course the official position) but I think the reality was at least partially that the people in charge knew that if data was leaked and it could be pinned on lax internal policies, the company wo…

> Personally I worked for a FAANG company that took data protection quite seriously Me too, and it’s still funny how often user data gets leaked even with world class engineers and incentives. Moving beyond FANG, look at how absurdly common it is for user data to get leaked - financial institutions, romance services, transportation services, everyone.

You claimed:

> laws and “audits” do little more than nothing to meaningfully protect data

I asked you for evidence for this claim and you provided none.

Please either put up or shut up. I'm not going to keep engaging with you while you spout incendiary catch phrases while doing absolutely nothing to support your claims with evidence.

Case in point:

> look at how absurdly common it is for user data to get leaked - financial institutions, romance services, transportation services, everyone.

I disagree that this is common. Personally I haven't had any of my personal data leaked by any of these types of institutions. If you want to claim it's common that banks leak their customer's data, then you need to provide the evidence that supports that claim. It's how the burden of proof works.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by lacker »

ryeats wrote: post #115
callamdelaney wrote: post #66

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This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

I tried to block YouTube when my kids were remote learning during the pandemic, it took several attempts and they were in grade school. They even got around Apple's considerable content controls I had to set up a DNS proxy.

At my son's school they recently started blocking ChatGPT, not because kids were using it to cheat, but because kids kept asking ChatGPT how to get around the content controls, and it would constantly find new ways to proxy or evade.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Ancapistani wrote: post #155
stanford_labrat wrote: post #101

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I’m sorry who is who in this analogy. Because if internet/tech is the gun then the clear solution is “not giving your children guns”. Bad modern parents just give their kids an iPad.

> Because if internet/tech is the gun then the clear solution is “not giving your children guns”. Funnily enough, no. The clear solution is to ensure that you talk to your children about [gun|online] safety. Show them how to use the [gun|internet] safely. Make sure they know that they can ask to use your [gun|device] any time they'd like -- but only under your supervision. Take the mystery away through education and…

> Make sure they know that they can ask to use your [gun|device] any time they'd like -- but only under your supervision.

You could do that, but there's no particular need for it. "No guns until you're 16" works fine. You don't need to "take the mystery away".

You need to use the internet a lot before you become an adult, you need to use a gun never before you become an adult. You need a lot of practice to build up internet safety skills, you need barely any practice to build up gun safety skills.

Go ahead and have a basic gun safety talk, that's a good idea, but that's all you need.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

mdp2021 wrote: post #143
lofaszvanitt wrote: post #64

A better way would be to only allow soft content for unverified users, so youngsters wouldn't be brainwashed and hooked by the excessive ram up a train in someone's arse kinda mindless, cromagnon like content. Politicians must be replaced with something more human centric. All they do is bring forth rules to deny something, instead of trying to cure the epidemic porn brings into the life of everyday people.

> instead of trying to cure the epidemic porn brings into the life of everyday people Eh?! This makes no sense. Is it something like "smartphones bring addiction", i.e. the inability to deal with a tool normally as duly, because some people were left immature, is taken as an excuse to fall into bad logic? If everyday people faint in front of begonias, it's not the begonia. Treat the roots.

Of course since you have zero exposure.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by baby_souffle »

sltkr wrote: post #170
baby_souffle wrote: post #123

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> First, intentionally leaking this type of data is extremely illegal under Europe's strict privacy laws. Good thing we only ever have intentional leaks, then. > Is it really that damaging to your reputation if someone could prove that you visited Pornhub in the last year? LGBT individuals have killed themselves over being outed before they were ready to. I'd wager that any leak that could positively link a person to…

> Good thing we only ever have intentional leaks, then. I already addressed this: unintentional leaks from regulated companies are very rare. It's not a perfect system, but it works to some extent. > LGBT individuals have killed themselves over being outed before they were ready to. OK, but visiting Pornhub doesn't prove you're gay, it only proves you watch porn, which lots of people do. If someone calls you out on i…

> I already addressed this: unintentional leaks from regulated companies are very rare. It's not a perfect system, but it works to some extent.

The corpus of HIBP would indicate that leaks are not rare. Your definition of "some" may need re-calibration.

I would prefer that this data not exist to begin with; can't leak and de-anon data that was never captured.

> In which of these scenarios does having the ISP issue an age-token make things worse for the customer? I really cannot think of one, but I'm open to changing my mind.

Having to bother with any "confirm you are an adult human" _at all_ is a hassle. Any and all circumstances that require this makes things worse for the customer and generates data that may risk de-anonymizing the customer.

And why bother when I still can't figure out what stops under-age me from buying/borrowing/stealing somebody else's token?

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by card_zero »

neepi wrote: post #142
stanford_labrat wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sorry who is who in this analogy. Because if internet/tech is the gun then the clear solution is “not giving your children guns”. Bad modern parents just give their kids an iPad.

I gave my kids iPads. But I also parented them.

My parents tried to parent me, but I childed them.
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