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Apple Notes Will Gain Markdown Export at WWDC, and, I Have Thoughts

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Re: Apple Notes Will Gain Markdown Export at WWDC, and, I Have Thoughts

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Teams and Slack as well, though they use an odd variant markdown (where single asterisk indicates bold instead of italics).

Teams does not use Markdown AFAIK. I wish it did.

See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/use-markdown-form...

My company is on Teams and I regularly use Markdown in my messages, though I still struggle to remember that I have to use underscores not asterisks for italics.

Re: Apple Notes Will Gain Markdown Export at WWDC, and, I Have Thoughts

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And Discord as well. Every young person is on Discord, they're all learning some Markdown

Teams and Slack as well, though they use an odd variant markdown (where single asterisk indicates bold instead of italics).

What things like Slack and WhatsApp use are not variants of Markdown, but entirely unrelated lightweight markup languages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language>.

As for Teams, it looks like it’s much closer to Markdown (uses the same idiosyncratic/stupid link syntax), but still significantly incompatible even if they call it that. And my guess (as a non-user) is that it’s just an input method immediately converted to HTML or similar, not retained as text. So in that way it’s not Markdown either.

Re: Apple Notes Will Gain Markdown Export at WWDC, and, I Have Thoughts

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Markdown is now the go to baseline for importing and exporting text data. I can see how I might want to export some more personal Notes to DayOne and archive some notes I don't need anymore to a more durable storage format. Would welcome this functionality.

Re: Apple Notes Will Gain Markdown Export at WWDC, and, I Have Thoughts

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It would be awesome if Messages, Mail, and Notes rendered Markdown. System-wide Markdown editing would also be awesome, perhaps as a feature of the keyboard.

I hacked up something like this for Apple Notes. It’s far from perfect, but at least it lets me type Markdown-style punctuation and get the expect results. Think of it like a crummy Vim mode sort of thing. https://honeypot.net/2024/01/17/making-notes-look.html

This is useful, thanks!

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It is funny to occasionally see it explained like 'on Reddit you can use ...' and think '..dude, markdown, just tell them you can use markdown' (and then realise oh right yeah ok, your way is probably clearer to them and you probably don't know it as 'markdown' either).

Reddit's Markdown flavor is a bit weird though. It got closer to CommonMark with New Reddit, but the rest of the UI got worse, and people using Old Reddit don't get the formatting the new version supports, so things like code blocks are often broken.

Original Markdown didn’t have fenced code blocks either.

Re: Apple Notes Will Gain Markdown Export at WWDC, and, I Have Thoughts

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When Gruber mentions that he never uses Markdown outside of his blog, and hinting at the fact that it was not intended for text editors (and other apps), there's one important point I want to make. Yes, Markdown has disadvantages, and a few rough edges for uses as the format for editors et al, but there are two very big advantages and/or sideffects of it's widespread use: (1) it's cleartext and therefore very good as…

I love the relative simplicity of core markdown with if I need to get fancy to add some html (which is rare) and it works so well in programs like Joplin, rather than fighting weird formatting in programs like OneNote and EverNote

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Markdown is like the new WordPerfect for some people, who want expressive written paths to format text. Like with WordPerfect, there are people who get great utility (attorneys in WP, developers with Markdown), but 80-95% of people don’t get anything out of it. It’s also one of those things where the constraints are an advantage. Markdown is great for internet facing text content, while many aspects of the mainstream…

Former lawyer here. That most commercial contract work is done in Word is a source of major frustration and wasted time for many lawyers. Others are simply unaware that there are any authoring/editing paradigms that allow one to separate the drudgery of getting document formatting just-so, from the actual value-additive work. Unfortunately there’s no realistic solution to the lock-in, so wrestling with broken paragra…

I never have those issues, but I'm the only one editing my stuff. I use styles religiously when I use Word for professional documents. It takes a little more time and effort but pays out over the long haul.

Re: Apple Notes Will Gain Markdown Export at WWDC, and, I Have Thoughts

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When Gruber mentions that he never uses Markdown outside of his blog, and hinting at the fact that it was not intended for text editors (and other apps), there's one important point I want to make. Yes, Markdown has disadvantages, and a few rough edges for uses as the format for editors et al, but there are two very big advantages and/or sideffects of it's widespread use: (1) it's cleartext and therefore very good as…

It's also great for writing documentation in a plaintext IDE, which I think is what _really_ drove a lot of the adoption.

It's simple but has good enough capabilities and it's available in a universal format (plain text) that will never expire or get sold or become inaccessible
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