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Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by fernandopj »

colordrops wrote: post #160
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on both sides of the fence with early Mandalorian. I need to watch it again until it jumps the shark because I don't know how early it did that. The latter episodes were incredibly laboured, with the narrative being spelt out, as if to a child, by various characters. I think it may have always been like that, but the look and feel overwhelmed the ridiculous dialogue for a while. If they were more clever with the…

Mandalorian started out strong and got progressively worse with each episode. Don't even bother with season 3.

Agreed. First couple of episodes are so good, when I was watching it really felt like the magic from watching EpIV again, as everything felt like being introduced to a new culture far away.

It really nails the feeling of watching an old Western movie where a cowboy bonds with an innocent person who needs protection against all odds.

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Post by techpineapple »

xorcist wrote: post #132

What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

I imagine this to greatly idealize the film industry, I mean, Tony Gilroy did have to “file a ticket with the product owner” to put the word “fuck” in one of the episodes and was denied. If you have a lot of cred you can get Final Cut and creative freedom, but I imagine most film productions are as bad if not worse than your average scrum experience.

Not the least of which, if you screw up a release in your software engineering career, you’ll probably get many chances to correct and have a fine if not better career later in. Fuck up a release almost any time in your film career and you may never work again.

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Post by jajko »

iainmerrick wrote: post #37
meowface wrote: post #26

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It makes me wish it were the actual start of the franchise and then they made Rogue One and the trilogy de novo. In that counterfactual I think there's a good shot it'd be far better than the originals, and the Star Wars story would be considered not just a classic but a masterpiece. (I don't think the original trilogy is bad exactly, but the trilogy with the Andor look/feel/style/writing/acting could've been some of…

I don’t know, I still really value the original trilogy. It’s just very, very different in some crucial ways. One aspect that’s really striking when you see Andor is how little the Jedi and the Force have to do with it; which highlights how central they are to the original trilogy. ( Rogue One does a pretty deft job of bridging those worlds, eg with Donnie Yen’s character.) And the Force was a big part of the charm o…

Its like being raised from earliest age with some religion (any, really, they are all equal in good and bad ways) vs somebody who wasn't. The thickness of rose-tinted glasses is something that's hard to argue about rationally.

I wasn't in both cases, communists considered it a capitalist propaganda about US might and banned it (maybe just heard about Star wars being US space program, took just first result on soviet gugel so to speak, but fight for freedom at all costs is generally not something you want to encourage in dictatorship).

They are an interesting flick (original trilogy), but nothing really magical for me in them. As mentioned by others they feel like 80s pop sci fi movie, nothing more, characters and acting are... mediocre and it all feels aimed at kids/teens. A lot of creativity with sets, but that's not primary reason for me to watch a movie.

Since I refuse (can't even) to be swayed emotionally of some good ol' memories from growing up, prequels felt even more childish (maybe apart from ep3), and this trend continued with last 3 movies. Rogue one was by far the best experience in whole SW universe, so if this goes even further happy to experience it.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by atonse »

techpineapple wrote: post #182
xorcist wrote: post #132

What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

I imagine this to greatly idealize the film industry, I mean, Tony Gilroy did have to “file a ticket with the product owner” to put the word “fuck” in one of the episodes and was denied. If you have a lot of cred you can get Final Cut and creative freedom, but I imagine most film productions are as bad if not worse than your average scrum experience. Not the least of which, if you screw up a release in your software…

My guess is that adding "fuck" would've changed the show's potential returns and content ratings, which is a pretty big change when projecting revenue, ad sales, etc.

Rather than "hey I just wanted to add one word and they pushed back"

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Post by Joeboy »

kriro wrote: post #112
belval wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the opposite for me. I could not be more burnt out on StarWars, when they introduced the force in season 2 I rolled my eyes and it somewhat took me out of it. The main downside of watching Andor is that you have your brain nagging you about eposide 7 making everything that you are watching pointless (the new republic is obliterated after 20-30 years). I have friends that I can't convince to watch it because they…

And this is exactly where I disagree. Andor does not stand very well on its own outside of SW (and that takes it from great tier to very good for me with the other minor squibbles that I have). If you don't know the lore, things will be less clear and the writing will feel strange at times. FWIW, I have recommended this show to many friends who never watched anything SW, they mostly liked it but found some things odd…

> crashed tie episode was pretty bad filler

I get that it felt like a bit of a diversion from the main story, but thematically the show is largely about the less palatable realities of being part of a resistance movement. That episode is about the reality that you'll probably end up getting waylaid by squabbling idiots along the way. I think it earns its place in the show.

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Post by k__ »

munificent wrote: post #157
xorcist wrote: post #132

What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

A big part of the difference is the timelines and scale. When you ship a piece of software, it's often expected to be usable by a million people reliably for years. In film and video production, you're duct taping shit together to get it to stay in one piece just long enough to get the shot and get the film out the door. You're fixing shit in post because you were in a hurry on set. It's a sort of barely controlled c…

This.

Music, film, and text are static. Software is dynamic.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by atq2119 »

peeters wrote: post #142
nicoburns wrote: post #5

If you haven't watched Andor and you are at all open to sci-fi then I would urge you to consider giving a go. The writing, acting, and cinematography are all excellent, and IMO it is a very strong contender for the best TV show released in the last few years.

> you are at all open to sci-fi That is to say, a sci-fi setting . Andor would not be correctly put in the sci-fi genre, rather in the political thriller genre.

That's the thing about sci-fi: almost all good sci-fi stories are really sci-fi + X, where X is some other genre. Often adventure or mystery, sometimes horror, and in this case political thriller / spy story.

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Post by duxup »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #129
meowface wrote: post #3

The cinematography, editing, writing, and overall feel of this show far exceed any Star Wars movie I've seen. I had long since written off the Star Wars franchise as a shameless cash grab since the original movies but they proved they could do something cool with it. I'd definitely watch a new movie if it were handled by the same team that made Andor. Prequel, sequel, side story, or re-telling of the originals.

I would recommend Skeleton Crew. Its def aimed at younger crows but if you have nieces/nephews or kids of your own its a delight. Basically treasure Island/ goonies in space, it is campier than Andor but does what it aims for amazingly. Cause andor can get quite heavy on the fighting fascism and sometimes finding a treasure map is more the vibe than seeing holocaust planning meetings I didnt watch anything mandaloria…

Skeleton Creis basically the movie Goonies .. but Star Wars, and it’s tons of fun.

They should make a new Skeleton Crew show every year with a whole new cast.

It really hits the lighthearted adventure button that to me is the core of Star Wars.

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Post by QuiEgo »

xorcist wrote: post #132

What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

> two pizza teams

Found the Amazonian. It’s amazing how the corporate jargon seeps in, no matter how hard you try :). In some ways, deciding to work there is definitely a one way door.

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