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Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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EVs (or many of them) teach you this behavior - because you get regeneration back into the battery, there's a little incentive to taking your foot off the accelerator earlier and letting the car recover energy. There's a reason people are talking about this for electric vehicles and not for anything else.

Yes, but you can do that with an ICE too. I achieve 60mpg//4l/100km with my diesel, also with highway driving. It's doable, but if you let your car roll for a red light, everyone is pissed at you. The main difference is as you say: EVs brake way more when you are not pressing the throttle, before even needing to touch the brakes. It also helps with mileage.

It's not even anywhere near the same. How often do you drive an ice car without touching the brakes ever? That's my normal operating in my model Y. The regen is powerful enough that it's equivalent to a fairly strongly pressing the brakes on a normal car. There is no way anyone can drive an ICE car like that normally.

Also, regenerative braking isn't an intrinsic aspect of an EV, it is a feature.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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I look forward to seeing public transportation that begins a few feet from my front door and arrives a few feet from my destination, without changing vehicles partway through, for arbitrary destinations.

Yeah, the thought of having to take a few steps is too horrible to imagine.

The thought of taking twice as long to get somewhere with less convenience is not tenable to convince people they should switch their transportation method. People trying to argue "you should not want that speed and convenience" or "cars should be made less quick or less convenient" are not providing winning arguments for public transit. The solution is that public transit should meet or exceed the bar of speed and convenience set by cars.

Let's make things better, rather than convince people they should settle for worse.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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It'd be well worth aiming to include some active travel (e.g. walking) in your daily schedule as otherwise you may think that you're saving time by parking so close, but you're really shortening your lifespan with an increased chance of sedentary diseases.

Regular exercise is absolutely important. Mixing it with transportation is a recipe for arriving covered in sweat (and, often, rain).

And still millions of people outside of the USA in advanced economies do it everyday, in the rain, in the snow, it's not a big issue at all except for a society which has no other experience than personal, individual transportation.

Might have something to do with that, no? Americans usually bring up these obstacles that don't materialise in the reality lived by the Dutch, Danes, Belgians, etc., while not even having the means to try it out in reality to verify if those obstacles are actually real. It's a fantasy of fear.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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EVs are just a change in fuel, nothing else changes, it's ludicrous to think they will solve anything related to why cities become denser, I can't even comprehend the logical steps you have to take to think that. Dense cities exist because there's value in living close by to other amenities provided by dense cities. There's no way out of denser cities, amenities will pool around where more people live just by sheer e…

No, the combination of densification turning toxic (see: San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Manhattan) and self-driving becoming available will change that. > There's no way out of denser cities There is: tax dense office space. There are no magically unique "amenities" in dense cities that make life worth living there, for the vast majority of people. Theaters and museum visits are at most a monthly occurrence (if th…

I believe you would appreciate living somewhere else than in an American city, many other developed countries do not suffer from the same malaise as American cities, being dense doesn't mean "turning toxic", there are many ways to densify a city while keeping it livable.

> There is: tax dense office space. There are no magically unique "amenities" in dense cities that make life worth living there, for the vast majority of people. Theaters and museum visits are at most a monthly occurrence (if that). And specialty ethnic restaurants are usually not a deal-breaker.

> Everything else is now available online: specialty stores, interesting classes, art-house movie clubs, etc.

You live online, that's fine if you are happy, many other people actually prefer social interactions, meeting for shared activities, and cities provide these amenities and the population to find your groups around. There's no way around that, living like a hermit in the woods with your own workshops, watching films by yourself (or with your family), etc. is a lifestyle choice and you can do it either way if dense cities exist or not. People will still congregate around the same spots that provide access to the activities they want, they will live in cities that have cultural events (theatres, concerts, museums, art, clubs), that provide gathering places for like-minded individuals: sports, ceramic classes, painting workshops, musicians gathering for jams.

You are wishful thinking that technology will somehow replace a deep social need for many, self-driving is bollocks, distance to activities is what matters, trains already exist in many developed countries and they bring people from far away into cities and still there's a big demand for people to live closer to the cities. I'm not judging you for wanting to live like that but you are extrapolating a very narrow view of how people live into the broader picture which simply doesn't work.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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More housing in _that_ model is more people with more cars on the road and needing parking spaces. The inevitable conclusion to such a model is cities like Houston, TX where everything is twice as far away because 50% of the city is just parking lot and another 25% just roads/intersections.

> More housing in _that_ model is more people with more cars on the road and needing parking spaces. The existing model is already that everybody is driving everywhere, and then you need a parking space at every place for the number of people patronizing it during its peak hours. Building more housing doesn't inherently increase or decrease the number of parking spaces you need. You still need one for each car. What…

> The existing model is already that everybody is driving everywhere

Not true where I live.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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> More housing in _that_ model is more people with more cars on the road and needing parking spaces. The existing model is already that everybody is driving everywhere, and then you need a parking space at every place for the number of people patronizing it during its peak hours. Building more housing doesn't inherently increase or decrease the number of parking spaces you need. You still need one for each car. What…

> The existing model is already that everybody is driving everywhere Not true where I live.

Wouldn't that imply that there should be less traffic there, and therefore it shouldn't take an hour to travel 5 miles by car?

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Yep. I’m finally in a place to bike to work and elsewhere and it’s remarkable how much I can get done without a car. But the infrastructure sucks and there’s so much room for improvement.

Looking forward to your commute is so great. Have you treated yourself to a nice bike?

I have a few nice bikes but I did recently get a 30 year old titanium mountain bike frame and I’ve turned it in to a city and dirt gravel bike. It’s super fun!

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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> The existing model is already that everybody is driving everywhere Not true where I live.

Wouldn't that imply that there should be less traffic there, and therefore it shouldn't take an hour to travel 5 miles by car?

That's correct and it doesn't.
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