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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by giantrobot »

haiku2077 wrote: post #118
AlotOfReading wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are streaming sites registering new domains and getting the site info out to the audience in that time frame? I suspect they're not and there's actually a period there's a window of weeks or longer for enforcement actions to be taken.

Preregister domain names, distribute then via chat apps like signal or whatsapp or telegram.

You don't even need to distribute the URLs. An aggregator can use a DGA[0] in and automagically find the correct stream URLs. Unless the seed and specific DGA leak it would be difficult to get ahead of the pirate streams.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_generation_algorithm

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by impulser_ »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #110
michaelt wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloudflare goes public in frustration, noting that they could just send take down requests for infringing content like every other rights holder in the world, Live sports piracy has the unusual property that you have to be able to get the block in place within the ~90 minutes of a football match, even at weekends and across time zones. Otherwise there’s no point. If the courts let Cloudflare slow roll this, at the…

How are streaming sites registering new domains and getting the site info out to the audience in that time frame? I suspect they're not and there's actually a period there's a window of weeks or longer for enforcement actions to be taken.

A lot of them will share a link to a page of all the domains they operate. So you just bookmark the page and if the site goes down just busy that page for the new links.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by DoctorOW »

stego-tech wrote: post #80
blibble wrote: post #6

sounds like centralising most of the the internet behind a single easy target (Cloudflare) is a bad idea

My sarcasm well is tapped, but this is why I was sus of CDNs like Cloudflare and Akamai at the outset. Yes, they’re highly convenient and enable more sites and services to weather large attacks or traffic spikes, but we willingly sunk a huge swath of the net behind a handful of for-profit entities and yet somehow expected nothing but sunshine and roses forever. Stop. Trusting. Companies. To. Do. The. Right. Thing. Cl…

You seen to be implying that Cloudflare has been abusing this position of power, but then listing things it allows? Porn, of consenting adults, is actually a great example of business Cloudflare's right to take on. You may not care for it, but legal/ethical pornography is a matter only of taste. We'd be far worse off if Cloudflare was blocking content based off of personal preference.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by pixelesque »

jedberg wrote: post #155

How come no one is mentioning the obvious solution -- LaLiga needs to make their product as easy to access as piracy. If they offered worldwide streaming of the matches available on an easy interface at a reasonable price, then none of this would be a problem. Piracy is almost never about the price -- it's almost always about the availability. Especially when it comes to live sports.

I suspect it's not quite that easy: it's likely similar to the situation with the Premier League in the UK (and other things like Formula 1 previously) where a particular broadcaster has been given exclusive distribution rights, and has paid a lot of money for those rights (which in theory go back into the game and pay for the huge salaries of players).

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by __loam »

77pt77 wrote: post #51
__loam wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bluesky, Threads, mastodon, even reddit I guess even though it's more atomized into subreddits.

Twitter has like 3 times the users of threads and bluesky has a tenth of threads. It's a geometric progression (power law) and it almost always devolves into that.

You asked if there was something remotely comparable and there is.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by the_player »

SXX wrote: post #162

Many will disagree here, but I really respect Cloudflare fight against government-enabled censorship and abuse of power by anti-piracy whatever. Yes, sometimes CloudFlare used for some actually bad stuff, but same can be said for any cloud service. Having major internet infrastructure provider react to every whim of every single government in the world is not a good idea.

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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by ipaddr »

hirako2000 wrote: post #50
gmuslera wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a globalized internet, your health institutions websites may run through, or depend on (i.e. 3rd party sites, js dependencies, etc) going through Cloudflare. Or emergency services, or whatever. With enough players you go from a side possibility to a certainty.

Cloud flare even offers a CDN for npm libraries. it feels like incapable "experts" are placed in position or authority for something like this to happen.

Why would anyone use a cloudflare js cdn for anything but a toy site? Those are bad decisions by developers.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by danaris »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #177
mystified5016 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a thing or technology becomes so large and so relied upon that removal of that thing causes real physical harm to unrelated citizens or indeed the government itself, you should think about the risk and benefits of allowing that thing to be controlled entirely by a private entity with no oversight or responsibilities.

This is just barking up the wrong tree and it applies to everything that people use. The root issue here is that La Liga is able to get a court to shut down a web host. It's shouldn't be anyone's problem but La Liga's that people pirate their stream, but a court let them make it everyone's problem. And there are any number of dumb things the court could have let them do, and turning CF into a utility company that can…

> This is just barking up the wrong tree and it applies to everything that people use.

You're missing the part where it's a single company, not just "the entire anti-DDoS infrastructure", that's being talked about here.

It would be perfectly possible (no idea how practical offhand) to have an entire ecosystem of competing CDNs all doing the same thing that Cloudflare does, rather than just Cloudflare making those decisions all by itself.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by ipaddr »

DoctorOW wrote: post #183
stego-tech wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My sarcasm well is tapped, but this is why I was sus of CDNs like Cloudflare and Akamai at the outset. Yes, they’re highly convenient and enable more sites and services to weather large attacks or traffic spikes, but we willingly sunk a huge swath of the net behind a handful of for-profit entities and yet somehow expected nothing but sunshine and roses forever. Stop. Trusting. Companies. To. Do. The. Right. Thing. Cl…

You seen to be implying that Cloudflare has been abusing this position of power, but then listing things it allows? Porn, of consenting adults, is actually a great example of business Cloudflare's right to take on. You may not care for it, but legal/ethical pornography is a matter only of taste. We'd be far worse off if Cloudflare was blocking content based off of personal preference.

Didn't they kick off far right websites like stormfront? They still block from personal preference it's just preferences you agree with.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by LoganDark »

jaoane wrote: post #142
im3w1l wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a new factor in the equation: Rising anti-american sentiments. This ties in with point 5 especially. Forcing Spanish websites off Cloudflare could seem like an additional benefit.

I live in Spain and there is no rising anti-American anything. The average person doesn't care beyond the Trump hate that is spewed by the mass media, but the mass media spews hate about many things, so much that the average person can't really invest much energy into hating every little thing. I know that people here would love to live in an alternate reality where everybody in the EU is fuming at the US having a ri…

> The US has done so many terrible things throughout history; they will survive this too.

They may never recover from decades of top secret intelligence being compromised.

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