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Post by pydry »

mrweasel wrote: post #158
diggan wrote: post #5

Interesting that every comment has "Help improve Copilot by leaving feedback using the or buttons" suffix, yet none of the comments received any feedback, either positive or negative. > This seems like it's fixing the symptom rather than the underlying issue? This is also my experience when you haven't setup a proper system prompt to address this for everything an LLM does. Funniest PRs are the ones that "resolves" t…

At least we can tell the junior developers to not submit a pull-request before they have the tests running locally. At what point does the human developers just give up and close the PRs as "AI garbage". Keep the ones that works, then just junk the rest. I feel that at some point entertaining the machine becomes unbearable and people just stops doing it or rage close the PRs.

When their performance reviews stop depending upon them not doing that.

Microsoft's stock price is dependent on them proving that this is a success.

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

sexy_seedbox wrote: post #150
petetnt wrote: post #86

GitHub has spent billions of dollars building an AI that struggles with things like whitespace related linting errors on one of the most mature repositories available. This would be probably okay for a hobbyist experiment, but they are selling this as a groundbreaking product that costs real money.

Nat Friedman must be rolling in his grave... oh wait

He's rolling in money for sure.

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Post by svick »

bramhaag wrote: post #58

Seeing Microsoft employees argue with an LLM for hours instead of actually just fixing the problem must be a very encouraging sight for businesses that have built their products on top of .NET.

You don't want them to experiment with new tools? The main difference now is that the experiment is public.

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Post by ehnto »

infecto wrote: post #117
owebmaster wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The promises are indeed large but the speed of progress has been fast And at the same time, absurdly slow? ChatGPT is almost 3 years old and pretty much AI has still no positive economic impact.

Saying “AI has no economic impact” ignores reality. The financials of major players clearly show otherwise—both B2C and B2B applications are already profitable and proven. While APIs are still more experimental, and it’s unclear how much value businesses can ultimately extract from them, to claim there’s no economic impact is willful blindness. AGI may be far off, but companies are already figuring out value from bot…

The financials are all inflated by perception of future impact. This includes the current subscriptions as businesses are attempting to use AI to some economic benefit, but it's not all going to work out to be useful.

It will take some time for whatever reality is to actually show truthfully in the financials. When VC money stops subsidising datacentre costs, and businesses have to weigh the full price against real value provided, that is when we will see the reality of the situation.

I am content to be wrong either way, but my personal prediction is if model competence slows down around now, businesses will not be replacing humans en-mass, and the value provided will be notable but not world changing like expected.

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Post by Xori71 »

sbarre wrote: post #143
globalise83 wrote: post #21

Malicious compliance should be the order of the day. Just approve the requests without reviewing them and wait until management blinks when Microsoft's entire tech stack is on fire. Then quit your job and become a troubleshooter on x3 the pay.

I know this is meant to sound witty or clever, but who actually wants to behave this way at their job? I'll never understand the antagonistic "us vs. them" mentality people have with their employer's leadership, or people who think that you should be actively sabotaging things or be "maliciously compliant" when things aren't perfect or you don't agree with some decision that was made. To each their own I guess, but I…

I agree. It doesn’t help that once things start breaking down, the employer will ask the employees to fix the issue themselves, and thus they’ll have to deal with so much broken code that they’ll be miserable. It’ll become a spiral.

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Post by mezyt »

api wrote: post #12
rvz wrote: post #4

After all of that, every PR that Copilot opened still has failing tests and it failed to fix the issue (because it fundamentally cannot reason). No surprises here. It always struggles on non-web projects or on software where it really matters that correctness is first and foremost above everything, such as the dotnet runtime. Either way, a complete disastrous start and what a mess that Copilot has caused.

Part of why it works better on web projects is the sheer volume of training data. There is probably more JS written than any other language by orders of magnitude. Its quality is pretty dubious though. I have so far only found LlMs useful as a way of researching, an alternative to web search, and doing very basic rote tasks like implementing unit tests or doing a first pass explanation of some code. Tried actually wr…

> There is probably more JS written than any other language by orders of magnitude.

And the quantity of js code available/discoverable when scrapping the web is larger by an order of magnitude than every other language.

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