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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by echelon »

MrScruff wrote: post #172
javchz wrote: post #79

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I think open source still has an important advantage in the pro environment despite being less convenient, and it's the possibility of adding things in between the generation process like control net, and custom loras with new concepts or characters. Plus in local generation you're not limited by the platform moderation that can be too strict and arbitrary and fail with the false positives. Yes comfy UI can be intimi…

I don't think this is just about convenience - you're not going to get these results with a 14B video model. I'd much prefer to have something I could hack on in ComfyUI but the open weights models don't compete with this anymore than a 32B LLM competes with Gemini 2.5 Pro for coding. And at least in coding you can easily edit the output from the LLM regardless...

> you're not going to get these results with a 14B video model

Foundation models are starting to outstrip any consumer hardware we have.

If Nvidia wants to stay ahead of Google's data center TPUs for running all of these advanced workloads, they should make edge GPU compute a priority.

There's a future where everything is a thin client to Google's data centers. Nvidia should do everything in its power to prevent that from happening.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by klabb3 »

gloosx wrote: post #125

>>models create, empowering artists to bring their creative vision Interesting logic the new era brings: something else creates, and you only "bring your vision to life", but what it means is left for readers questioning, your "vision" here is your text prompt? Were at a crossroads where the tools are powerful enough to make the process optional. That raises uncomfortable questions: if you don’t have to create anymor…

> but what it means is left for readers questioning, your "vision" here is your text prompt?

Right. Imo you have to be imagination handicapped to think that creative vision can be distilled to a prompt, let alone be the medium a creative vision lives in its natural medium. The exact relation between vision, artifact, process and art itself can be philosophically debated endlessly, but, to think artifacts are the only meaningful substrate at which art exists sounds like an dull and hollowed-out existence, like a Plato’s cave level confusion about what is the true meaning vs the representation. Or in a (horrible) analogy for my fellow programmers, confusing pointers to data with the data itself.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by teitoklien »

oblio wrote: post #177
teitoklien wrote: post #162

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That's step one, and you are right. Step two is... sure, every pleb can now create art. That devalues art. More than that, that makes for a "winner takes all" marketplace. So even fewer people than now benefit from it. More than that, guess who wins out: middlemen, the marketplace owners. Read the Black Swan by Nassim Taleb, especially the chapters about Extremistan and Mediocristan. Basically every time we invent so…

Tell that to the kings in medieval times who were the only ones who could afford music from finest crafts men and silk shirts

This allowed people in those crafts to be very rich.

Then came the evil leeches of middle men who brought cheap fine clothes for the masses and music in the hands of every broke college kid in his dorm room. So evil !

Get the sarcasm ? Calling ability for masses to do more things is somehow horrible is elitist, calling the people who make that possible leeches is just elitism in velvet glove.

As long as the majority gets more value in their daily life, world is better.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by [deleted] »

duped wrote: post #164
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88

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The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

> Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? The gates are wide open for those that want to put in effort to learn. What AI is doing to creative professionals is putting them out of a job by people who are cheap and lazy. Art is not inaccessible. It's never been cheaper and easier to make art than today even without AI. > Personally I can't wait to se…

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by ahtihn »

duped wrote: post #164
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

> Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? The gates are wide open for those that want to put in effort to learn. What AI is doing to creative professionals is putting them out of a job by people who are cheap and lazy. Art is not inaccessible. It's never been cheaper and easier to make art than today even without AI. > Personally I can't wait to se…

> The gates are wide open for those that want to put in effort to learn.

Why is effort a requirement?

Why should being an artist be a viable job?

Would you be against technology that makes medical doctors obsolete?

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by htrp »

Onavo wrote: post #40
vunderba wrote: post #22

After doing some testing, Imagen 4 doesn't score any higher than Imagen 3 on my comparison chart, approximately ~60% prompt adherence accuracy. https://genai-showdown.specr.net

How do companies like https://icon.com do their image Gen if the existing SOTA for prompt adherence is so poor?

multishot generation with discriminators

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Post by zamadatix »

mcphage wrote: post #161
snug wrote: post #93

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How do you determine how many attempts are made before the results are failing?

It's listed in Purple to the right of the model name.

I think they're asking how the number to stop at was determined, not what the number stopped at was.

My guess as to determining whether it's 64 attempts to a pass for one and 5 attempts to a fail for another is simply "whether or not the author felt there was a chance random variance would result in a pass with a few more tries based on the initial 5ish". I.e. a bit subjective, as is the overall grading in the end anyways.

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

For anyone with an access, can you ask it to make a pickup truck drive through mud? I’ve tested various different AIs and they all suck with physics and tires spinning wrong way, it is just embarrassing. Demos look amazing, but when it comes to actual use - there is none that worked for me. I guess it is all to increase “investor value”

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by gloosx »

teitoklien wrote: post #180
gloosx wrote: post #174

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If your focus is to solve the problem, then it makes sense to treat the process as secondary. The tools are just means to an end. This view also aligns with how generative AI is marketed – it's a way to accelerate realization, not a way to focus on the act of crafting. That said, outcome-first thinking does run the risk of disconnection, and our current culture is all about disconnection.

Even the process is more democratized now, Want to learn coding ? Build out your app idea first with replit -> Then export the codebase into your computer -> Run claude code on it and ask it to scan all the files and describe the tech stack to you and how it operates while giving you all the major components you need to learn to understand it with youtube channel and book recommendations for each topic + work exercis…

This raises another interesting question to think about: if everyone has (1) low-cost access to build anything, and (2) low-cost access to learn how to build anything at the same time...

...what do you think a human would choose the most?

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