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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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"Blaming Biden for their destructive ideology is a bad argument." And, again, it is not one I am making. I blame Biden and Harris for being so awful that the American people decided Trump was a better choice and elected him. That is on them. And for forcing irrelevant DEI language into grants. That is on them.

Well that’s asinine. Big time “she made me hit her” energy if that’s actually your argument (which isn’t clear at all from what you wrote).

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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> One of the interesting pieces of science that I think a lot of people don't think about is strategic investment. the Internet itself began with DARPA. the web at CERN. both came from publicly-funded research.

Also, NCSA was started with NSF funds and the put out the first web browse. And now the guy behind that is supporting Trump. Really pulling up the ladder.

Larry Smarr recently spoke at NCSA and they wrote up a fair bit about the history of the institution: https://www.ncsa.illinois.edu/homecoming/

It has links to some of the panel reports that led to the founding of NCSA, but the OSTI website has been having intermittent 502s for me this morning.

The original "black proposal" was online on the NCSA website, but seems to have been missed in a website reorg; wayback has it here: https://web.archive.org/web/20161017190452/http://www.ncsa.i... . It's absolutely fascinating reading, over 40 years later.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Last week, staff were briefed on a new process for vetting grant proposals that are found to be out of step with a presidential directive on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI),... In the new structure, even if a revised proposal gets the green light from a division director, a new body whose membership has not been determined will take a fresh look to ensure it conforms to the agency’s new standard for making awa…

All this extra bureaucracy doesn't seem very efficient .

The efficiency will trickle down

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Last week, staff were briefed on a new process for vetting grant proposals that are found to be out of step with a presidential directive on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI),... In the new structure, even if a revised proposal gets the green light from a division director, a new body whose membership has not been determined will take a fresh look to ensure it conforms to the agency’s new standard for making awa…

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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The NSF budget is ~$10billion. That's about half of NASA's, 1.2% of the DoD's, 0.5% of the discretionary budget ($1.7 trillion). Why is this the focus of the admin? Science is one of the few things the US is doing well.

Science sometimes says things that disagree with MAGA ideology and so it must be destroyed.

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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I have been in and out of the academic world my entire career. I have worked as a programmer/engineer for two universities and a national lab, and worked at a startup founded by some professors. There is huge uncertainty with the people whom I have worked with, nobody seems to be sure what is going to happen, but it feels like it wont be good. Hiring freezes, international graduate students receiving emails to self d…

The irony is that in their supposed effort to "Make America Great Again" they're going to end up accelerating China's rise. We may have decided that basic research is no longer something we want to do, but China's going to continue to forge ahead and leave us in the dust. All thanks to people who have no understanding of how anything works, but only want to tear things down that they don't understand.

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The focus is robbing the treasury to give tax breaks to the rich.

Trump said yesterday he wants to raise taxes on people earning over $2.5MM[1] People on the left are going to be caught totally flat-footed if they don't pull their head out of their bubble. Trump is a populist president. He was elected by working class individuals and so far he has shown every intent of following through for them. People on the left don't recognize it because they don't recognize the tools that righ…

Seeing as the majority of words coming out of Trump are hyperbole or just straight up lies.. well believe it when it’s written into law.

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This is such a weird take. If Dems win ostensibly the negative consequences of their actions are the Republicans’ fault, and then if Republicans win their actions must be owned by the Dems? Why the weird causal swap? The actions of this administration are primarily the responsibility of… this administration and those who supported it.

Not fielding good candidates for bad reasons and giving the election to @#$%ing Trump is on the Dems.

Forcing grant applicants to include irrelevant DEI language in applications is on the Dems.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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They sent one to the municipality of Stockholm. The majority leader in Stockholm responded by suggesting they could just turn off the water and sewer system for the embassy :P

I thought HN User burnte was being hyperbolic in the assertions that post put forth. Then I read a few articles. sigh. I mean, I guess we'll try to find competent and sane leaders again in 4 years. I don't know? There's not much else we can do at this point if this is the level of irrationality you're dealing with. I'll add in way of explanation to non-US citizens that in the US, we've always had a fixation on certai…

> I mean, I guess we'll try to find competent and sane leaders again in 4 years. I don't know? There's not much else we can do at this point if this is the level of irrationality you're dealing with.

There are absolutely not going to be free and fair elections 4 years from now. People really need to start preparing for this reality.

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