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Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by zupa-hu »

coverj wrote: post #65
BowBun wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that final number really that crazy? With a well defined goal, you can put out 5-8K per day by writing code the old fashioned way. Also would love to see the code, since in my experience (I use Cursor as a daily driver), AI bloats code by 50% or more with unnecessary comments and whitespace especially when making full classes/files. > I spend a lot of time setting Claude code up for success. Normally I wouldn't po…

are people really committing 5k lines a day without AI assistance even once a month? I don't think I've ever done this or worked with anyone who had this type of output.

Maybe if you are copy-pasting some html templates, but then it is not “writing code”. Handwriting complex logic, at 5k sloc per day, no way.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by LouisSayers »

As someone that's happily on the Pro plan (I got a deal at $17 per month) I'm a bit confused seeing people pay $100+ per month ... like what benefits are you getting over the cheaper plan?

When coding with Claude I cherry pick code context, examples etc to provide for tasks so I'm curious to hear what other's workflows are like and what benefits you feel you get using Claude Code or the more expensive plans?

I also haven't run into limits for quite some time now.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by cornel_io »

htrp wrote: post #56
Aurornis wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits Limits are a given on any plan. It would be too easy for a vibe coder to hammer away 8 hours a day for 20 days a week if there was nothing stopping them. The real question is whether this is a better value than pay as you go for some people.

> 8 hours a day for 20 days a week Your vibe coders are on a different dimension than mine.

I've often run multiple Claude Code sessions in parallel to do different tasks. Burns money like crazy, but if you can handle wrangling them all there's much less sitting and waiting for output.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by sensanaty »

richardw wrote: post #41
tkzed49 wrote: post #14

The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits. At work I use Cursor, which is pretty good (especially tab completion), and at home I use Copilot in vscode insiders build, which is catching up to Cursor IMO. However, as long as Microsoft is offering copilot at (presumably subsidized) $10/mo, I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful, and I doubt that.

Whoever is paying for your time should calculate how much time you’d save between the different products. The actual product price comparison isn’t as important as the impact on output quality and time taken. Could be $1000 a month and still pay for itself in a day, if it generated >$1000 extra value. This might mean the $10/month is the best. Depends entirely on how it works for you. (Caps obviously impact the total…

I've seen the books as to how much we spend on all the various AI shit. I can guarantee, that at least in our co, that AI is a massive waste of money.

But it doesn't really matter, because the C-level has been consumed by the hype like nothing I've ever seen. It could cost an arm and a leg and they'd still be pushing for it because the bubble is all-consuming, and anyone not touting AI use doesn't get funding from other similarly clueless and sucked-in VCs.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by ori_b »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #158
throwaway_0351 wrote: post #152

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I see worrying trends in my office. Developers (often juniors) use LLM code without taking time to verify it. This leads to bugs and they can't fix it because they don't understand the code. Some senior developers also trust the tool to generate a function, and don't take the time to review it and catch the edge cases that the tool missed. They rely on ChatGPT to answer their questions instead of taking time to read…

> They rely on ChatGPT to answer their questions instead of taking time to read the documentation or a simple web search. Documentation is not written with answers in mind. Every little project wants me to be an expert in their solution. They want to share with me the theory behind their decisions. I need an answer now. Web search no longer provides useful information within the first few results. Instead, I get cont…

> Documentation is not written with answers in mind. Every little project wants me to be an expert in their solution. They want to share with me the theory behind their decisions. I need an answer now.

I have an answer now, because I read the documentation last week.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by [deleted] »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #142

Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

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Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by AznHisoka »

asaddhamani wrote: post #113
tkzed49 wrote: post #14

The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits. At work I use Cursor, which is pretty good (especially tab completion), and at home I use Copilot in vscode insiders build, which is catching up to Cursor IMO. However, as long as Microsoft is offering copilot at (presumably subsidized) $10/mo, I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful, and I doubt that.

I don’t know why people expect unlimited usage for limited cost. Copilot hasn’t been good for a long time. They had the first mover advantage but they were too slow to improve the product. It’s still not caught up to cursor or windsurf. Cline leaves it so far in the dust it’s like a decade behind in AI years. So you get what you pay for. Claude is still the gold standard for AI assisted coding. All your Geminis and o…

What about Sourcegraph? How do they compare?

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by netdevphoenix »

Dlemo wrote: post #159
netdevphoenix wrote: post #142

Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

I think it's an enabler for everyone. So many people benefit from basic things like sorting tables, searching and filtering data etc. Things were I might just use excel or a small script, they can now use an LLM for it. And for now, we are still in dire need for more developers and not less. But yes I can imagine that after a golden phase of 5-15 years it will start to go down to the bottom when automaisation and ai…

When a company lays off a chunk of the workforce because the increased productivity due to LLMs means they don't need as many people, how is it an enabler for the laid off people.

What happens when most companies do this?

During the 10s, every dev out there was screaming "everyone should learn to code and get a job coding". During the 20s, many devs are being laid off.

For a field full of self-professed smart and logic people, devs do seem to be making tons of irrational choices.

Are we in need of more devs or in need of more skilled devs? Do we necessarily need more software written? Look at npm, the world is flooding in poorly written software that is a null reference exception away from crashing.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by latexr »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #142

Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

> Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers.

Don’t discount scamming and spreading misinformation. There’s a lot of money to be made there, specially in mass manipulation to destroy trust in governments and journalists. LLMs and image generators are a treasure trove. Even if they’re imperfect, the overwhelmingly majority of people can’t even distinguish a real image from a blatantly false one, let alone biased text.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by TrueDuality »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #142

Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

You'll commonly see new technologies utilized by people that have the ability to make use of that technology for their own gain. Programmers are (for the most part) the only ones that can unlock LLMs to solve very specific personal problems. There are workflow automation tools allowing non-programmers the ability to do workflows but that's only one way to utilize them and it will always be constrained by the already developed integrations and the constraints of the workflow platform.

In regards to jobs and job losses I have no idea how this is going to impact individual salaries over time in different positions, but I honestly doubt its going to do much. Language models are still pretty bad at working with large projects in a clean and effective way. Maybe that will get better, but I think this generational breakthrough of technology is slowing down a lot.

Even if they do get better, they still need direction and validation. Both of which still require some understanding of what is going on (even vibe coding works better with a skilled engineer).

I suspect there is going to be more "programmers" in the world as a result, but most of them will be producing small boutique single webpage tools and designs that are higher quality than "made by my cousin's kid" that a lot of small businesses have now. Companies > ~30 people with software engineers on staff seem to be using it as a performance enhancer rather than a work replacement tool.

There will always be shitty managers and short-sighted executives that are looking to replace their human staff with some tool, and there will be layoffs but I don't think the overall pool of jobs is going to reduce. For the same reason I don't think there is going to be significant pay adjustments but a dramatic increase in the long-tail of cheap projects that don't make much money on their own.

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