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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by register »

echelon wrote: post #130
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #110

I strongly believe the American choice was a strategic decision made by a group of highly intelligent individuals.

To placate or appeal to the current American leadership? What's the desired outcome? European, NATO, or Ukrainian security guarantees?

To exert political pressure on the current American leadership by influencing the masses and achieve the objectives of the Catholic Church? Have you forgotten what happened with Wojtyła and Solidarność?

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sepositus wrote: post #55
nickthegreek wrote: post #22

"Whereas Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about gay clerics, Cardinal Prevost has expressed less welcoming views to L.G.B.T.Q. people. In a 2012 address to bishops, he lamented that Western news media and popular culture fostered “sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel.” He cited the “homosexual lifestyle” and “alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their ado…

Curious, do you think he's wrong that it's at odds with what was taught by the apostles? It's obviously unpopular, but I have yet to see a convincing argument (based in the teachings of the Bible) that promotes same-sex marriages. If I were in his position, and part of my duty is to interpret and lead via "the holy scriptures," then I would probably want to be as accurate as possible.

> Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

Christianity has been comfortable with fairly sophisticated realpolitik since day zero.

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Post by FeteCommuniste »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #150
sepositus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious, do you think he's wrong that it's at odds with what was taught by the apostles? It's obviously unpopular, but I have yet to see a convincing argument (based in the teachings of the Bible) that promotes same-sex marriages. If I were in his position, and part of my duty is to interpret and lead via "the holy scriptures," then I would probably want to be as accurate as possible.

It's important to realize that while the pope's main role is to guard revelation from corruption and manipulation, the teachings on same-sex attraction and the gay lifestyle do not require revelation. They rely solely on the natural law. Ethics rooted in unaided reason suffices.

Oddly enough practically the only philosophers who buy "natural law" arguments against homosexuality are Christian.

Makes my motivated reasoning detector go off.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by bitshiftfaced »

rootsudo wrote: post #152
bbor wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.

For what it's worth, Peru is in South America. Still American, Technically.

From reading online comments, I'm starting to believe that those who reside outside the US are more strident defenders of the idea that "US citizens only" = "American" than US citizens themselves.

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lostlogin wrote: post #102
jordanb wrote: post #86

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‘I was only following orders.’

A lot of the church abuse scandal happened during a couple of decades when the church's handling of the cases were the result of following the then scientific consensus on the matter. The church was not alone in this. The scientists told us they could be reformed.

Just look up the history of what was going on in Germany following the same advice.

It's a relatively new thing where we just declare pedophiles unfixable and jail them. In the past, the social scientists told us that it was the result of the environment.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-exp...

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