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Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by jader201 »

EcommerceFlow wrote: post #167

If you haven't watched Tim Sweeney's appearance on Lex Fridman (which went live two days ago ironically), he discusses this battle against Apple, which he's maintained at a furious pace for years. He goes into detail on how the previous guidelines stifle innovation, how app developers are basically forced to implement anti-consumer practices to maintain the ridiculous costs of achieving success on the app store, etc.…

> No gambling, no randomized loot boxes, etc.

> So I give Tim a lot of credit for maintaining such a principled stance.

IMO, someone that drives and capitalizes on addictive spending by an underage audience should never be considered principled. While it may not be considered gambling, it’s not much better when it’s often out of control due to feeding on FOMO.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by nashashmi »

> … except for apps on the United States storefront, the apps may not…

US based app developers hosting apps on app stores in other countries should also be covered by the injunction. What am I missing? Is the injunction only covering US based app market? And does not cover app developers?

Tim, come back. The deed is yet to be completed.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by insane_dreamer »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #101
maccard wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What app used to be $10 and is now a $300/year subscription?

There's thousands of games targeted at children that are exactly this. There are publishers that drop reskin after reskin of the same game all with individual subscriptions, and they constantly try to kids from one into the other. Then others clone that game and do the same thing. Fluvsies is an App Store virus.

And nobody is going to drop their prices because of the ruling.

This may be great for some publishers, but doesn’t benefit the consumer in any way. In fact as i consumer id much rather deal with Apple’s payment system than a separate payment mechanism for each app, especially when it comes to cancelling, changes etc

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by gruez »

EcommerceFlow wrote: post #167

If you haven't watched Tim Sweeney's appearance on Lex Fridman (which went live two days ago ironically), he discusses this battle against Apple, which he's maintained at a furious pace for years. He goes into detail on how the previous guidelines stifle innovation, how app developers are basically forced to implement anti-consumer practices to maintain the ridiculous costs of achieving success on the app store, etc.…

>He goes into detail on how [...] how app developers are basically forced to implement anti-consumer practices to maintain the ridiculous costs of achieving success on the app store, etc.

This sounds absurd. What was his argument for this?

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by navigate8310 »

crazygringo wrote: post #104
UncleMeat wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are free to only use apps that use apple payments if you are concerned about this.

But then there are apps you were able to use previously that you will no longer be able to trust. That's the problem -- it's taking away trust. You're not free to continue using Apple's payment system as a consumer.

Well in that case, there must be a single endpoint, a common interface, to initiate a payment, track chargeback and view payment histories. Customers should have the option if they want to trust Apple with their payment details or 3rd-party.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by quesera »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #138
deeThrow94 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very good points. I've been trying to figure out whose interest is in our "national interests" my entire life. It sure ain't protecting my interests or those of anyone I love that justifies a trillion dollar a year military.

The trillion dollar military is Americas welfare system. You may be chronically confused why no politician dem/republican/liberal/conservative ever wants to cut funding for it, and toss it up as obvious collusion between mega-contractors and politicians. Well it is. And it's willful. That trillion dollars is spent almost entirely on US made things by US workers. Only a small slice (still large in absolute terms) goes…

The US military is also an enormous and very successful jobs program.

Also there may be some foreign policy applications.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by deeThrow94 »

alt227 wrote: post #120
deeThrow94 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very good points. I've been trying to figure out whose interest is in our "national interests" my entire life. It sure ain't protecting my interests or those of anyone I love that justifies a trillion dollar a year military.

I am pretty sure if the US decided to get rid of its military entirely, then it wouldnt be long before it was invaded by Russia or China and then the interests of the people you love would be severly impacted. The world stage is no more a safe place than it has been for any other part of history.

> then it wouldnt be long before it was invaded by Russia or China

I would be lying if I claimed I hadn't dreamed of being liberated by a foreign power with more cultural competence at governance (which excludes Russia, obviously, but they probably at least aren't worse), but realistically anything but a slow scale-down in military power would probably entail the bloodiest world (and civil) war in history. Maybe nukes, too.

But, there's a fork in the road. We can choose to scale down our military presence (and control of trade) today, and figure out how we actually want to exist in a global community outside of letting our corporations swing their dicks freely... Or we can blow trillions of dollars continuing to make fools of ourselves rampaging through other countries rather than building high speed rail before we lose our grip on hegemony anyway as a matter of pure economics.

Or, I suppose, we can just murder anyone who disagrees with us until we're just miserably exploiting each other inside of high walls armed with automated guns. Something tells me that's the option we're going to pick.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by insane_dreamer »

daveidol wrote: post #25
owebmaster wrote: post #20

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just like the internet. We don't need Apple to make tens of billions of dollars out of pretending to filter it.

Seriously. Do people not use Safari on their phones to browse the web? iPhone users are still exposed to the same risks via that method and we are doing just fine. This is going to save us all money. It’s a good thing for everyone but Apple.

It’s good for devs. It’s worse for consumers.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by deeThrow94 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #138
deeThrow94 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very good points. I've been trying to figure out whose interest is in our "national interests" my entire life. It sure ain't protecting my interests or those of anyone I love that justifies a trillion dollar a year military.

The trillion dollar military is Americas welfare system. You may be chronically confused why no politician dem/republican/liberal/conservative ever wants to cut funding for it, and toss it up as obvious collusion between mega-contractors and politicians. Well it is. And it's willful. That trillion dollars is spent almost entirely on US made things by US workers. Only a small slice (still large in absolute terms) goes…

This is true, and it is disgusting.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by tracerbulletx »

jader201 wrote: post #181
EcommerceFlow wrote: post #167

If you haven't watched Tim Sweeney's appearance on Lex Fridman (which went live two days ago ironically), he discusses this battle against Apple, which he's maintained at a furious pace for years. He goes into detail on how the previous guidelines stifle innovation, how app developers are basically forced to implement anti-consumer practices to maintain the ridiculous costs of achieving success on the app store, etc.…

> No gambling, no randomized loot boxes, etc. > So I give Tim a lot of credit for maintaining such a principled stance. IMO, someone that drives and capitalizes on addictive spending by an underage audience should never be considered principled. While it may not be considered gambling, it’s not much better when it’s often out of control due to feeding on FOMO.

Ah yes, toy makers, the true problem of our world. 30 years ago I'm sure you'd be complaining about "addicted" spending on keeping up with the most popular Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle toys. It's not evil to make things kids want and make money off it. If you don't want your kids to buy things, that's on you and its a problem from time immemorial, not a new issue with video games.
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