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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by brulard »

collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

Let me tell you that the world has been flooded with low-effort, low-quality music for decades already. Most of the popular music relying on the same 3 chords, dull lyrics etc. While I'm a fan of music generators like Udio, I'm pretty sure the best music is still going to be created by humans. I also believe that while AI slop is bad, human slop is even worse.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by magic_hamster »

nosianu wrote: post #166
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

> I want Al to do my laundry Stanisław Lem has told us about the grave dangers of such a development decades ago. This is a good summary, summary quoted below, full article linked on the page (requires a login - but reading Lem's story itself is better than reading about it anyway): https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1981/11/30/the-washing-ma... "Shortly after Ijon Tichy's return from the Eleventh Voyage, newspapers…

I think out of everything Lem has written, the idea of seductive washing machines that lead the way to a semi conscious cyborg planet is not the best example for actual tangible dangers o AI.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by geden »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #176
mFixman wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like the kind of things painters said after good photography because widespread. Instead we got aesthetically original avant-garde art to replace the thousands of low-quality slop portraits that were common in the mid-19th century.

aesthetically original, avant-garde, and bad.

Bad how?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Juliate »

skerit wrote: post #123
dgfl wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep coming back to this thought. Maybe it’s how I was raised, but knowing that I’m doing something useful to other people / humanity is the entire point. When a machine can do everything better than we can, then what do we derive meaning from? I usually get out of the existential dread by thinking that we’re still some time away from the issue, and that there will still be some pursuits left, like space colonizati…

> Maybe it’s how I was raised, but knowing that I’m doing something useful to other people / humanity is the entire point. Exactly. The thought of spending hours on something that an AI could do in minutes sounds horrible to me.

AI will never be able to actually express and reveal my own self to my own self or to others.

That's what art _is_.

Sometimes, it produces something that could be aesthetically pleasing but that's a different matter.

And how it is monetised is a different matter again.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by ben_w »

voidspark wrote: post #73
Toenex wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want AI to be able to do everything so the I can choose to do anything.

If it can do everything, then you will be redundant.

Or retired.

One is a bad future. The other one may or may not be, as per SMBC being philosophy disguised as humour:

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/leisure

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/touch-2

(Can't find the one I was after comparing retirement to UBI, but did find two identically scripted haiku jokes).

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by magic_hamster »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #169
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

Who is "we"? The entire human race?

Expecting all humans across different cultures and languages to come together and figure out basic income for 9 billion people is absurd. This kind of cooperation never happened and probably never will. People are completely unable to cooperate at the massive scale this requires, let alone solve far smaller challenges like mitigating outbreaks or making an effort to avert climate change.

"We" is not a thing.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Juliate »

voidspark wrote: post #156
seqizz wrote: post #153

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But there are people who already doing what you are currently doing. Also they do it waaaay better. If this does not make you redundant, why would AI do it?

> they do it waaaay better No they don't. There is a very limited supply of developers who are better than me. I am talking about a future where we have a practically infinite supply of cheap AGI software developers that are vastly superior to the smartest human being who ever lived.

And where do you find the energy technology required for that to happen?

Hint: it's not on the radar, but if you account for several fundamental breakthroughs in energy production, storage and transport, and all that while having positive side-effects on Earth's ecosystem, within the next 50 years.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by flanked-evergl »

geden wrote: post #183
flanked-evergl wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

aesthetically original, avant-garde, and bad.

Bad how?

Bad in the sense that it is at it's core a denial that there exists something such as good, and even something such as bad — in almost every sense of the word, whether it be aesthetically or morally.

The human race, according to religion, fell once, and in falling gained knowledge of good and of bad. Now we have fallen a second time, and not even that remains to us.

One of the core contentions of the Christian faith, is that there is something more abhorrent than doing something bad, and that is the denial that it is possible to do something bad. Yet, this is about the only article of faith for our modern insanity.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by [deleted] »

Juliate wrote: post #187
voidspark wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they do it waaaay better No they don't. There is a very limited supply of developers who are better than me. I am talking about a future where we have a practically infinite supply of cheap AGI software developers that are vastly superior to the smartest human being who ever lived.

And where do you find the energy technology required for that to happen? Hint: it's not on the radar, but if you account for several fundamental breakthroughs in energy production, storage and transport, and all that while having positive side-effects on Earth's ecosystem, within the next 50 years.

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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by nosianu »

magic_hamster wrote: post #182
nosianu wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want Al to do my laundry Stanisław Lem has told us about the grave dangers of such a development decades ago. This is a good summary, summary quoted below, full article linked on the page (requires a login - but reading Lem's story itself is better than reading about it anyway): https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1981/11/30/the-washing-ma... "Shortly after Ijon Tichy's return from the Eleventh Voyage, newspapers…

I think out of everything Lem has written, the idea of seductive washing machines that lead the way to a semi conscious cyborg planet is not the best example for actual tangible dangers o AI.

That is not a good representation of the story. I added a few sentences to show you the parts we can already relate to.

In addition to that, we already had discussions here about emails and ads and other things where it is conceivable we end up with AI both creating and consuming the content, with the humans out of the loop (just yesterday: one part email users using AI to create nice long emails, other users using AI to condense them back into the summary).

We also have the kind of feature creep that adds more and more stuff that has nothing to do with the original purpose of the device or the software.

That 1957 story already talks about those kinds of developments.

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