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Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by sitkack »

xnx wrote: post #16

It continues to baffle me that Google gets harassed by the courts for being a better actor in almost every area it participates. Open source Android vs. closed iOS Install apps from any source on Android vs. total restriction on iOS Switch default app for browser (and many other things!) vs. No choice but Safari tech on iOS Easy switch of search provider in Chrome vs. countless dark patterns pushing Edge and Bing on…

> Google gets harassed by the courts for being a better actor

Please just stop

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by conradev »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #178
conradev wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attesting that a closed source device meets arbitrary closed source standards is a necessary evil. One real world problem is that some existing systems are built relying on the integrity of the components within, i.e. BART in the bay area relies on the BART cards being honest and secure. If iPhones are to be allowed into the system, they also have to be honest and secure. The capability is being over-used and abused,…

> If iPhones are to be allowed into the system, they also have to be honest and secure. This describes a 1:1, total-trust relationship. There are other types of systems fulfilling the requirements without needing a 1:1, total-trust relationship. For example, the main requirements here are: The account succeeds at making requests it is allowed to make, and the account fails at making requests it is not allowed to make…

> Why require the client to be locked down?

It is hard and likely expensive to require every single reader in every single city to be networked:

> Because Clipper operates in multiple geographical areas with sporadic or non-existent internet access, the fare collection and verification technology needs to operate without any networking. To accomplish this, the Clipper card memory keeps track of balance on the card, fares paid, and trip history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_card#Technology

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by 627467 »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #59
627467 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They signed the agreement, and now are going to courts to claim they had no choice. Did the title change? They (Lenovo) are going to court? This is an antitrust case against Google and the witness is not part of the agreement signed. Is Lenovo suing Google? The title is representing the witness (perplexity) stance, not Lenovo's. And given it's a antitrust suit it seems like a very valid stance.

Read it again perhaps? Without any of that context, it just reads like "google blocked [some/all] use of Perplexity AI on [some/all] Motorola devices" Try not to overthink it.

Who's overthinking? This is not an example of a bad title: the main message of the piece is that a (prosecuting?) witness is demonstrating how the alleged antitrust behavior of one of the signatory parties prevents them from operating as they see fit. Lenovo is not the one on the stand being accused of antitrust behavior. I guess perplexity could accuse Lenovo of antitrust behavior but that's not the case the article is describing, is it?

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by rezonant »

mkhalil wrote: post #24

Did anyone read this article? The headline is misleading. It clearly states in the first line: > "Google’s contract with Lenovo Group Ltd.’s Motorola blocked the smartphone maker from setting Perplexity AI as the default assistant on its new devices" They didn't block Perplexity AI from Motorola's devices, the agreement states that they allow them to preload the devices with Perplexity, but the agreement, that both p…

Since the title has changed since you wrote this, it may be prudent to include the title at question in the future for clarity.

The original title was:

> Google blocked Motorola use of Perplexity AI, witness says

The new title is:

> Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

The new title definitely addresses this issue, but since you're at the top of the comments, you're likely to get a lot of people responding with disagreement and/or downvoting.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

gaiagraphia wrote: post #112
supermatt wrote: post #100

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> they think they had no choice And they really don't have a choice. if you don't abide by googles terms then they will not permit you to use google mobile services. That means (at the very least): - No "play" services (breaks lots of apps and 3rd party peripherals). - No app store (over 90% of apps are distributed solely through the play store. even major android players like samsung have tiny libraries in their own…

Big shout out to Google Play Integrity/Safety Net (or whatever it's currently called). Was the one thing which ended my couple of years without Google, as my banking apps started banning my phones fingerprint for being insecure. Seems like in a major part of '''Pax Americana''' is needing to use a Google or Apple fingerprint to participate in society. Makes you laugh when people whinge about China.

Have you tried on GrapheneOS?

Also, what's stopping you from using your bank's website instead... or switching to a bank which sucks less?

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

mvieira38 wrote: post #129
supermatt wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they think they had no choice And they really don't have a choice. if you don't abide by googles terms then they will not permit you to use google mobile services. That means (at the very least): - No "play" services (breaks lots of apps and 3rd party peripherals). - No app store (over 90% of apps are distributed solely through the play store. even major android players like samsung have tiny libraries in their own…

The Play services thing is a major deal for banking apps and such. If anyone has tried dealing with third-party ROMs like LineageOS and GrapheneOS, they would know how much Google tries its best to screw you if you leave their gross leech of an ecosystem

I have a Pixel with GrapheneOS and no Google anything installed, and bunq, N26, and SG apps all work flawlessly (but with no push notifications because no Google services, and I'm fine with that).

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

hedora wrote: post #153
bluGill wrote: post #143

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> I’m thankful for anything that reduces pre-installed bloatware on phones Except that I still get all the google bloatware on my phone.

On my pixel, GrapheneOS has 2x the battery life of factory android. Of course, most commercial apps won’t run due to Google’s monopolistic bullshit. You can partially fix it by installing (sandboxed) google play services, but that halves the battery life back to what stock android gets.

Every single app I have tried on GrapheneOS works great without GMS except Too Good To Go (their app mandates location access and the manual location selection is broken).

I download them using Aurora Store.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by gaiagraphia »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #186
gaiagraphia wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big shout out to Google Play Integrity/Safety Net (or whatever it's currently called). Was the one thing which ended my couple of years without Google, as my banking apps started banning my phones fingerprint for being insecure. Seems like in a major part of '''Pax Americana''' is needing to use a Google or Apple fingerprint to participate in society. Makes you laugh when people whinge about China.

Have you tried on GrapheneOS? Also, what's stopping you from using your bank's website instead... or switching to a bank which sucks less?

It just gets all so tiresome. And I don't really have enough money and free time to swap devices/banks when things get banned at random intervals.

Just wanted to be left alone tbh ;/

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Post by bitpush »

dredmorbius wrote: post #95
surajrmal wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sure is. Open source doesn't require open development model or even taking outside contributions. It simply requires that you have access to the source and can do things like fork it, which you absolutely can with Android. I think people android to be more like Linux, but that's a very difficult arrangement and has tradeoffs.

Open Source requires buildable code: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43779597 >

So if development happens privately, and if they release the source with makefiles (or whatever they use), it is still open source yes?

Because it is exactly what is going on.

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