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After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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The obvious methodology at work here is 'fire everyone then hopefully re-hire only what is blindingly obviously needed'. There are many, many problems with this approach in a business setting but even more from a governmental setting. The first, and what should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of empathy, is that these are real people who's lives are being toyed with. It isn't like you are trying out a new business…

Anyone with half a brain understands the argument you put forward, and there is not a single doubt on my mind that the current administration does. But the point is not the savings. The point is incapacitating the government to the point where privatization starts to looks like a viable alternative. This has been the strategy since Thatcher and Reagan, look up "starving the beast". This administration is just really…

> The point is incapacitating the government to the point where privatization starts to looks like a viable alternative.

Privatization is almost always going to be the worst option. If the true cost to deliver a good or service to the people is $X, the government can do the job for $X. A private company will also need $X to provide the service, but they must charge the public well above $X so that they can stuff their own pockets with money. A government's work is providing services, not generating profits for shareholders.

Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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Is there any proof that they're coding errors? A simpler explanation, to me at least, is that they first blanket fired people by dubious criteria, and are now using this as an excuse to backpedal when they realize they've cut something important.

"Political enemies fired by a coding error" is an obviously idiotic claim on its face. And when called on it, they immediately double down on their innocence by somehow blaming the firings on Joe Biden. Who is triple checks notes no longer involved in the US government in any way. This has been Trump's playbook forever. Outright lie about things, and if that doesn't work, pivot to a different lie. Always deflect blame. Never, ever, admit fault.

A whole lot of harm could have been averted if the media was willing to call him out on this 10+ years ago instead of embrace the profit potential. But welp.

Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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I am not american nor I live in america so I don't really have a horse in this race, but the DOGE approach seems to be the classic "move fast and break things" approach. The reactions to it are the classic reactions to that approach, competent people speak out to get broken things fixed and others are confused about what is happening.

Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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It's either an actual 'coding error' because DOGE doesn't actually understand WTF they're doing or it's what you're suggesting. So it's Incompetence or Malice. Pick your poison.

It's 2025. Never attribute to incompetence or malice that which can adequately be explained by both.

I love this, thanks for posting. I mean, I hate that it is true. But it is perfect for this moment.

Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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Also, it's completely destroying an incredibly valuable asset: The reputation of being a stable long-term employer! (This is possibly their corrupt intent.) The immediate "savings" reduced workforce (even assuming the same level of work gets done) can easily be obliterated by the long-term damage of needing to pay more to attract equally-qualified applicants away from the private sector. Some quick napkin-math just t…

Do we actually want "I just want a stable job" people being a significant part of the federal governments workforce? I generally wouldn't want those people to work for my company, so not sure why I'd want them to work in my government.

> Do we actually want "I just want a stable job" people being a significant part of the federal governments workforce?

Yes. People looking for a stable job put down roots and grow communities. They gain deep knowledge of the systems and people they work with, and they gain valuable wisdom from experience. I have no idea why you wouldn't want people looking for a stable job at your company. Why would you want an employee who was looking to work at a place where they were likely to be fired for no reason at any moment and couldn't expect any of their co-workers to still be there tomorrow?

Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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Don't forget to say "See! Government doesn't work, we've been right all along!" after you've smashed it.

Exactly, I’m glad you mentioned it because there are many who can’t see through the smoke. This is the long con but I still struggle to understand the motive there, if for nothing else, is it the simple ideal that government should be small? Why go through all the trouble?

Democratic governments tends to create and maintain a lot of checks and balanced on corporations. Things like workers rights, consumer rights, product quality, environment protections, etc etc. Many things that corporations would love to do to make more money are illegal. That makes it harder to earn money. Removing such barriers seems like a pretty straightforward motive to me.

Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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A beloved Terry Pratchett character defines evil as when you treat people like things.

US government is used to doing this with non-us persons. I guess that's partly why there's no real pushback against this practice this time.

Fascism being colonialism returned home was a big lesson from the middle of the 20th century that not enough people learned.

Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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I mostly agree with your position. However there are a couple of issues that make federal government work distinct from ordinary business. 1. Fired federal workers typically do not get a severance. Those impacted by the recent reductions in force are not receiving severance packages. 2. Government salaries are usually uncompetitive compared to the private sector; the major difference is the value of the pension. Leav…

> Fired federal workers typically do not get a severance. Those impacted by the recent reductions in force are not receiving severance packages. Not true: https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-admi... This is separate from the deferred resignation plan DOGE was offering. Under that plan employees voluntarily resigned and continued being employed for approximately 8 months, with full pay and benefits…

What 8 months? If you believe that, you’re a sucker.

Edit: how about all those fired "for cause" even though it's obviously not "for cause"? If you wanna call this shifting goal posts, fine, but consider this - the DOGE is doing something like a "broad spectrum" attack on government employees. Neither their firings nor offers are legal.

Re: After 'coding error' triggers firings, top NIH scientists called back to work

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The cruelty to 'the bureaucratic class' is part of the point. The Trump admin has clearly stated so over and over both before and after the election: Russell Vought, Trump’s pick for the director of the Office of Management and Budget (a job he held during Trump’s first term), has said: “We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work, bec…

Such cruelty from the top of any organisation is a sign of impending failure. Leading by that example will only retain the vultures, who will pick the carcass of the best parts then move on. Let the ants and dung beetles deal with the shit parts once we're done. It's going to get worse before it gets better, and I hope the majority of the "worse" will remain contained in the US. The rest of the world is still going t…

They stacked the cards with vultures, it’s by design.
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