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US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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Here's a csv and google sheet of the data. Turns out they aren't tariffs countries charge us. They are trade imbalance percentages. Unreal: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xK0OQ5VGl8JHmDSIgbXh... https://gist.github.com/mcoliver/69fe48d03c12388e29cc0cd87eb...

Thank you for posting this, the misinformation is clear as day. But lying is without consequences if people are dumb or lethargic enough, it seems.

This will get very interesting.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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This won't bring home manufacturing but let's say that it will... The US doesn't have the people to do the actual manufacturing. I saw a video recently explaining how sectors like the military, construction and the automotive industry each have 100K+ positions that they are unable to fill. A return to manufacturing adds to that shortage. Apparently there's some 7 million young men of working age that are...missing in…

This is precisely the problem. Plus, even assuming there existed lots of people to fill the gap, why would they sign up for manufacturing jobs? They pay like crap. Unions and worker rights have been gradually chipped away at for years and now they're straight up chainsawing them. Why work a monotonous job that pays at or just slightly above minimum wage, has skills that aren't really transferable should you decide to…

> Plus, even assuming there existed lots of people to fill the gap, why would they sign up for manufacturing jobs? They pay like crap.

Maybe that's just you talking from a position of relative privilege (e.g. as someone who's likely an extremely well-paid software engineer or some adjacent profession), and not really understanding other people's situation. Not everyone has a pick of the perfect career that ticks every box.

It's very well document that there are lots people bitter those manufacturing jobs got off-shored, and lots of communities that wish they'd reopen "the plant."

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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This won't bring home manufacturing but let's say that it will... The US doesn't have the people to do the actual manufacturing. I saw a video recently explaining how sectors like the military, construction and the automotive industry each have 100K+ positions that they are unable to fill. A return to manufacturing adds to that shortage. Apparently there's some 7 million young men of working age that are...missing in…

The US has recently loosened laws regarding child labor. It’s how other countries produce items cheaply, why not the US? That El Salvador prison could also come in useful.

That was Florida. Child labor laws are mostly set by the states.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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Can someone explain if there's any logic at all to counting a countrys VAT as part of its tariffs? In my home country VAT is ultimately charged the end-customer and this happens regardless of the origin of the goods. How can this be a seen as a tariff? Besides, isn't the "Use tax" most(?) American states have more or less equivalent in function?

A tariff is a tax specifically on foreign goods. It is an artificial barrier to trade used to make domestic products more competitive. VAT is a tax applied to all products equally, so it isn't a trade barrier. You might be able to construe a convoluted argument that it is easier for domestic companies to work through domestic regulation, but that's pretty weak.

The US seems to have simply taken the value of the trade deficit with a country, divided it by total imports from that country, and used that as the tariff percentage. So in their logic, wherever there is a trade imbalance, this must be explained by barriers to trade. So in a sense this is also a repudiation of the core hypothesis of global free trade as an ideology: That, if countries trade freely with one another, they can specialise on certain production and a virtuous cycle makes everyone richer. In Trump's ideology, trade is a zero sum game, and having a trade deficit means that you are losing.

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The attempts to force a mineral deal on to Ukraine, and also the attempts to get hold of Greenland, start to make sense if you assume that the Trump administration is preparing for a permanent global trade war. Higher costs for mineral imports would hurt the US economy the most.

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I think a lot of people assume the economic consequences like these have not been understood by the WH. Although I don't like this administration I beg to differ: they know what's going to happen, and they expect the coming storm because they seek what follows. They want to repudiate foreign held debt, or devalue it, by revaluation of the USD and they will wear what they think of as a one time economic shock to get t…

I had hoped that this kind of "Trump is actually playing 4d chess, you just don't understand" argument would be dismissed after seeing him through the first term, but apparently not.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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Someone figured out that the new tariffs are just our trade deficit with that country divided by the country's exports. I think more and more we see lots of evidence they don't know what they're doing.

It's not: in the formula they posted, phi is the "passthrough from tariffs to import prices". That's where the country's own tariffs are factored in. Or am I reading this wrong?

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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post #87

I think a lot of people assume the economic consequences like these have not been understood by the WH. Although I don't like this administration I beg to differ: they know what's going to happen, and they expect the coming storm because they seek what follows. They want to repudiate foreign held debt, or devalue it, by revaluation of the USD and they will wear what they think of as a one time economic shock to get t…

> they know what's going to happen, and they expect the coming storm because they seek what follows

If they do they’re lying. The mechanism by which tariffs restore production is by raising prices. That makes it more lucrative to invest in serving that market. If producers have to absorb the tariff, they won’t boost production and the tariff is just a corporate tax increase.

> to repudiate foreign held debt, or devalue it, by revaluation of the USD

That’s called inflation!

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