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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by MostlyStable »

t-writescode wrote: post #89
MostlyStable wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only have 43,000 members (stat from the same page), so that's 20 queries a day per member, which doesn't seem that crazy.

That said, 43k paying users is quite a bit of money, so if their team is small enough, that’s good enough, stable and steady income

Yeah, my understanding is that they are trying (and I think I remember succeeding so far?) to be revenue positive/sustainable from the beginning, and not trying to rely on "grow and make money later" that other companies used.

Which I prefer; I got burned by Neeva shutting down shortly after they started (for a pretty mild version of the word "burned", it cost me very little, but it was annoying).

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by pbronez »

doublerabbit wrote: post #160
whazor wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi is the only paid search engine and they are already profitable: https://blog.kagi.com/what-is-next-for-kagi I think the bigger danger is the competition around AI chat assistants. There are other paid assistants, but you already see that even the paid assistants are getting trained to promote certain corporations.

Kagi were an early adopter of LLMs. You can use Kagi assistant for AI needs.

Kagi Assistant is awesome. It uses their search for context. I got a free year of Perplexity and liked Kagi better.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by xigoi »

Semaphor wrote: post #112
fumufumufumu wrote: post #85

What I gather from this is few if any non-software devs use Kagi 8 of the top 10 "raised" sites are software dev sites and with #6 being MDN I'm guessing it's not just any software devs, is web developers specifically that use Kagi. Am I drawing the wrong conclusion? Does that mean Kagi's days are numbered? What would it take for them to get enough non-web-devs that the top 10 raised looked more representative of the…

> I'm guessing it's not just any software devs, is web developers specifically that use Kagi. I do both, and I have MDN pinned. The thing is, if I search for C#, Python, Java, I get great results on any search engine. If I search for web stuff, I get tons of crap and mediocrity. MDN is almost always what I want instead of some other stuff. Regarding "days numbered", I agree with the gist of the other replies ;)

I have MDN pinned and I’m not even a software developer, just a mathematician who likes programming.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by xigoi »

thoroughburro wrote: post #167
vladde wrote: post #155

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I have a hard time figuring out how to pitch a paid search engine to "normal people", when Google works and is free.

You literally just wait for them to complain about Google, then say “Well, you get what you pay for.” They will be curious because everyone knows search is free. IME, this works well.

The problem is that I’ve never seen a “normal” person complain about Google search.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by xigoi »

edelbitter wrote: post #79

Is there an opt-in for sharing such analytics/telemetry/statistics/insights (or whatever the euphemism treadmill is at now) -- or did all customers "consent" to this simply by using private settings "used by at least 20 users"?

Why should this require opt-in? I don’t see anything wrong with publishing interesting statistics.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by carlosjobim »

theshrike79 wrote: post #158
knowknow wrote: post #44

Interesting that TikTok is the 3rd highest on the block list (considering Pinterest links as one). I wonder why since it’s not often that I get it as a search result on Google . Is TikTok showing up as a result common on kagi or is TikTok just that bad?

Requires login to actually do anything, like Twitter. Making both completely useless as sources

You can get a login if you want.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by carlosjobim »

sedatk wrote: post #3

Wouldn’t such a statistic cause a feedback loop?

These rankings have no effect on how Kagi ranks domains, so not in that sense. Maybe in the sense that a user will go down the list and also block the top blocked sites and uprank the most upranked sites, but that's just idiots being idiots.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by kjs3 »

graemep wrote: post #154
kjs3 wrote: post #77

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Man I hate to say you're completely right, but you're completely right. I remember years back being in some social thing where someone was railing on social media and pontificated "absolutely noone wants what Facebook is", and I grudgingly had to retort " you don't want Facebook, but a half a billion people (at the time) obviously do". Read the room.

Many of us are reluctant users. There because our friends our communities are. I would love FB to go away. I am the admin of two FB groups, both UK home education related (one about exams and qualifications, the other for single parents). I do it because I feel I should help the community (especially as the crappy commercial groups that target the same audience), which is made up of non-technically inclined, mostly m…

Many of us are reluctant users.

I understand what you're saying, but my own observation is "many of us" == "a tiny minority". "There because our friends our communities are" is exactly it...our friends and communities don't care as long as FB and the other social media cesspools are the default. I too have tried to get various relations to not make me log into social media to be part of their life, and I get some variation of "oh, you weird little infosec guy, that's way too much work and it's good enough for all of us".

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by 0xTJ »

agnishom wrote: post #31

Some people seem to be blocking `w3schools.com`. What is the rationale?

I haven't gone to that site in a long time, but back when I did work that was related to its content, it was somewhere between useless and actively bad. From reading this thread, it seems to have improved since, but it has a tarnished reputation. I use Kagi, and if w3schools had come up in a search I'd likely have set it to block before even considering clicking the link; it's got a tarnished reputation.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains on Kagi

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Post by KomoD »

speerer wrote: post #148
KomoD wrote: post #141

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Is it actually true though? They've lied about other things, what stops them from lying about that? For 2 years they've said "Kagi has zero marketing budget and spends zero on marketing", that's a lie and they still haven't changed it. They've sponsored over 200 youtube videos https://filmot.com/search/%22brought%20to%20you%20in%20assoc...

Do we know that they spend money on this or is that inferred? I asked because the search you've linked to only seems to list relatively niche chess videos on one creator's account. And the videos themselves are also ad-supported. It's (at least) not impossible that the sponsorship association is not budgeted in the way that (I think) you infer.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40013889

https://kagifeedback.org/d/3822-kagi-is-sponsoring-youtube-v...

"I watched Daniel King for 10 years and have previously donated to him, now I am happy that we are in position to sponsor his work which I believe is extraordinary.", this also definitely sounds like monetary compensation to me.

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