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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by JamesonNetworks »

hkpack wrote: post #96
hamandcheese wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding signing as a requirement can easily make what was once a very simple distribution mechanism into something much more complex - now you need manage signing certificates and keys to be able to build your thing. The cost is far far higher than the price.

But it doesn't in practice. I develop and distribute few free apps for macOS, and building / notarising is never a problem.

In contrast to this point, as long as I use Xcode and do the same thing I've always done allowing it to manage provisioning and everything else, I don't have a problem. However, I want to use CI/CD. Have you seen what kind of access you have to give fastlane? It's pretty wild. And even after giving it the keys to the kingdom, it still didn't work. Integrating apple code signing with CI/CD is really hard, full of very strange error messages and incantations to make it "work".

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by intrasight »

ohgr wrote: post #67

I don't think it does. Long term Apple user here (since 2007). I'm typing this on a 5 year old pile of junk with Windows 11 LTSC on it. The (M4) Mac is sitting next to me acting as an SMB server until I can be bothered to get all my stuff out of it. It's just tiring using a Mac these days. It's difficult to explain but everything feels slightly frustrating. The nice things are really nice. The whole experience is qui…

> Long term Apple user here (since 2007)

That would be medium-term user. Long-term would be people like me that have been using it since 1984.

I have a collection of Macs going all the way back to 1984. Even the newest one hasn't been turned on in three years.

My daily driver is Windows Server 2016. But it has VMware Workstation so there are lots of virtual machines for my work, including Linux.

I am so tempted by the new M4s. Amazing piece of technology. So sad about the operating system though. Every year I say I'll wait for a quality Linux port.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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herodotus wrote: post #168

Snow Leopard was released while Steve Jobs was on medical leave. It was driven (as far as I can recall) by Bertrand Serlet. Rumour has it that Steve was furious about the "no new features" marketing when he returned from his medical leave.

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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by wpm »

epolanski wrote: post #65
pavel_lishin wrote: post #20

> I am not suggesting Apple has fallen behind Windows or Android. Changing a setting on Windows 11 can often involve a journey through three or four different interface designs, artifacts of half-implemented changes dating back to the last century. Whenever I find myself stuck outside of Appleland, I am eager to return “home,” flaws and all. Hard agree with this. I sometimes have to boot up a windows laptop to play M…

I use both Mac and windows extensively and I'm not sure what are you referring to. You can access most settings by Windows + "yourquery".

Using search as a UI is admitting the UI sucks.

It is indicative of a failure, not a solution in and of itself.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by detourdog »

simondotau wrote: post #57
spudlyo wrote: post #32

I'm done with macOS, I've migrated to Linux for my general purpose computing. With every new release of macOS, Gatekeeper is becoming harder and harder to bypass, increasing Apple's control over what software can be run on macOS, forcing apps to be signed with an Apple Developer ID. While I'm happy they are taking security seriously, I'm seriously creeped out that macOS sends hashes of every executable I run to their…

I understand and appreciate the sentiment, but I see the intent very differently. Apple is not employing a frog boiling strategy, but rather being responsive to an increasingly sophisticated adversary. It’s like criticism of the quality of Google search dropping. It has absolutely tanked, but it’s not because the algorithm is worse, it’s because the internet has grown orders of magnitude and most of it uses the same…

The biggest struggle is that the original Macintosh was so simple to manage. The original concept of system extensions to expand the capabilities and the file structure built on the hierarchy with the desktop as the top level was broken with the shift to Unix.

Suddenly the users file hierarchy started wherever the Home folder was located and it became an island of user controlled environment surrounded by complexity of computer operating systems.

The result I found overall well thought out but when the desktop became just a folder I felt the Mac moved from it’s simplicity embracing the complexity that was offered by windows.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by wpm »

AlexandrB wrote: post #145
silvr wrote: post #45

Agree. Apple needs to clean up shop - MacOS has been egregiously worsening year over year. Some features like Universal Control and Continuity Camera are legitimately awesome, but they do not make up for the INSANELY slow System Settings app that gets harder to navigate with each release and which has >2s wait times for the right pane to respond to a change in the left pane. Steve Jobs would have fired the person res…

System Settings is awful. Whoever decided to hide tons of settings inside innocuous "(i)" non-buttons should be kept far away from UX design. It's the hamburger menu of macOS.

It's what they have available in the SwiftUI toolbox of "shitty widgets from mobile operating systems" though.

Thankfully, that is also somehow the future of UI frameworks on all of their platforms!

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by wpm »

herodotus wrote: post #168

Snow Leopard was released while Steve Jobs was on medical leave. It was driven (as far as I can recall) by Bertrand Serlet. Rumour has it that Steve was furious about the "no new features" marketing when he returned from his medical leave.

Is Bertrand still kickin? Can Apple poach him for a few years to clean house? I miss the days when he was running the software division at Apple.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by cflewis »

przemub wrote: post #72
AHTERIX5000 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotlight straight up broke on both of my Macs after Sequoia. It can't even find exact matches in many directories marked for indexing and re-indexing did nothing. Just searching for apps under Applications doesn't seem to find all apps.

I’ve had so many issues with it as well! To the absurd level where I could not search for settings in the Settings app… People all over the net have had all kinds of issues and there’s never been any help other than „oh go and reindex”.

iOS has this problem as well. You search for a setting in the Settings app. It’ll say “doesn’t exist” (or whatever) while it’s looking for something extremely obvious (like “software update”) instead of just showing a processing icon.

Then when it does show the results, they’re usually in some terribly unhelpful order. It took me ages to try and go through the CUJ of “this app isn’t sending me notifications because I turned them off now I want them back on”

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by wpm »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #5

…and speaking of Snow versions, bring back those cool welcome videos when you first purchase a Mac! I miss those. Unfortunately, since Apple doesn't do the whole space theme anymore, you'd probably get some really boring drone shots of California at best before a Setup Assistant faded into view from behind a Redwood or something.

Most Mac admins might disagree.

I had to hear those goddamn songs so many times, often all at the same time.

I'm weird though, and never stopped liking it.

Doo-do-doo-doo-do...

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by tristor »

rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

Wow, I feel like I almost could have written this except I prefer Plasma/KDE to GNOME. I use Linux + Mac laptops somewhat interchangeably since 2012, and have also seen the marked decline in quality. In fact, it seems like Linux has gotten better at almost the same pace (or maybe a bit faster) than macOS has gotten worse.

The things that most frustrate me about Macs is that they've violated the never spoken but always expected "it just works" in so many ways. Things like how Thunderbolt Displays containing a USB hub which are Apple-certified handle re-connection to a Macbook, should "just work", but require fiddling every time. That's just one of numerous examples I could come up with.

Apple historically was probably the best company in the world in understanding the full depth of what "User Experience" means, and it seems like they've really retreated from this position and are regressing to the mean.

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