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Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by HelloImSteven »

colecut wrote: post #156
Loeffelmann wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the point. With the old models they all failed to produce a wine glass that is completley to the brim full. Because you can't find that a lot in the data they used for training.

Imagine if they just actually trained the model on a bunch of photographs of a full glass of wine, knowing of this litmus test

Even if they did, I’d assume the association of “full” and this correct representation would benefit other areas of the model. I.e., there could (/should?) be general improvement for prompts where objects have unusual adjectives.

So maybe training for litmus tests isn’t the worst strategy in the absence of another entire internet of training data…

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by nefarious_ends »

colecut wrote: post #156
Loeffelmann wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the point. With the old models they all failed to produce a wine glass that is completley to the brim full. Because you can't find that a lot in the data they used for training.

Imagine if they just actually trained the model on a bunch of photographs of a full glass of wine, knowing of this litmus test

imagine!

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by skydhash »

rachofsunshine wrote: post #93
kh_hk wrote: post #72

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It's a nitpick about the repetitive phrasing for announcements : Our most yet|ever.

Speaking as someone who'd love to not speak that way in my own marketing - it's an unfortunate necessity in a world where people will give you literal milliseconds of their time. Marketing isn't there to tell you about the thing, it's there to get you to want to know more about the thing.

A term for people giving only milliseconds of their attention is: uninterested people. If I’m not looking for a project planner, or interested in the space, there’s no wording that can make me stay on an announcement for one. If I am, you can be sure I’m going to read the whole feature page.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by asadm »

kevmo314 wrote: post #32
minimaxir wrote: post #2

OpenAI's livestream of GPT-4o Image Generation shows that it is slowwwwwwwwww (maybe 30 seconds per image, which Sam Altman had to spin "it's slow but the generated images are worth it"). Instead of using a diffusion approach, it appears to be generating the image tokens and decoding them akin to the original DALL-E ( https://openai.com/index/dall-e/ ), which allows for streaming partial generations from top to botto…

Maybe this is the dialup of the era.

specially with the slow loading effect it has.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by meeton »

jjbinx007 wrote: post #130
blixt wrote: post #104

What's important about this new type of image generation that's happening with tokens rather than with diffusion, is that this is effectively reasoning in pixel space. Example: Ask it to draw a notepad with an empty tic-tac-toe, then tell it to make the first move, then you make a move, and so on. You can also do very impressive information-conserving translations, such as changing the drawing style, but also stuff l…

It still can't generate a full glass of wine. Even in follow up questions it failed to manipulate the image correctly.

https://i.imgur.com/xsFKqsI.png

"Draw a picture of a full glass of wine, ie a wine glass which is full to the brim with red wine and almost at the point of spilling over... Zoom out to show the full wine glass, and add a caption to the top which says "HELL YEAH". Keep the wine level of the glass exactly the same."

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by guzik »

sergiotapia wrote: post #29

am I dumb or every time they release something I can never find out how to actually use it and forget about it. take this for instance I wanted to try out their newton "an infographic explaining newton's prism experiment in great detail" example, but it generated a very bad result but maybe it's because I'm not using the right model? every release of theirs is not really a release, it's like a trailer. right?

This is hilarious. I'm also confused about whether they released it or not because the results are underwhelming.

EDIT: Ok it works in Sora, and my jaw dropped

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by dmd »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #179
dmd wrote: post #175

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You know the images themselves don’t get shared in links like that, right? (It even tells you so when you make the link.)

I created a shared link just now, was not presented with any such warning, and have the same problem with the image not showing up: https://chatgpt.com/share/67e319dd-bd08-8013-8f9b-6f5140137f...

Interesting. I see this: https://imgur.com/a/QNWeEoZ

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by gorkish »

colecut wrote: post #156
Loeffelmann wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the point. With the old models they all failed to produce a wine glass that is completley to the brim full. Because you can't find that a lot in the data they used for training.

Imagine if they just actually trained the model on a bunch of photographs of a full glass of wine, knowing of this litmus test

I obviously have no idea if they added real or synthetic data to the training set specifically regarding the full-to-the-brim wineglass test, but I fully expect that this prompt is now compromised in the sense that because it is being discussed in the public sphere, it's has inherently become part of the test suite.

Remember the old internet adage that the fastest way to get a correct answer online is to post an incorrect one? I'm not entirely convinced this type of iterative gap finding and filling is really much different than natural human learning behavior.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by CSMastermind »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #149
yusufozkan wrote: post #135

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Are you sure you are using the new 4o image generation? https://imgur.com/a/wGkBa0v

Looks amazing,can you please also create a unconventional image like the clock at 2:35 , I tried it something like this with gemini when some redditor asked it and it failed so wondering if 4o does do it

I tried and it failed repeatedly (like actual error messages):

> It looks like there was an error when trying to generate the updated image of the clock showing 5:03. I wasn’t able to create it. If you’d like, you can try again by rephrasing or repeating the request.

A few times it did generate an image but it never showed the right time. It would frequently show 10:10 for instance.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Post by brianshaler »

internetter wrote: post #94
sigmoid10 wrote: post #79

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Has post-Jobs Apple ever come up with anything that would warrant this hope?

Every iPhone is their best iPhone yet

Even the 18 Pro Max Ultra with Apple Intelligence?

Obligatory Jobs monologue on marketing people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4

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