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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

ETH_start wrote: post #127
hnbad wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the market alternative It's interesting that you imply the European Union is communist or state capitalist in a similar way to the Soviet Union or that European Alternatives are not part of the market, analogous to state-produced consumer goods in the Soviet Union. It's especially interesting (which is a nice way of saying preposterous) considering the primary function of the European Union has always been a Europe…

The EU is of course much more market-based than the Soviet Union, but the analogy is not totally without merit. Legislation like General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the Digital Markets Act (DMA), the Digital Services Act (DSA), and the Forestry Regulation, as well as heavy tax burdens and expansive restrictions on contracting freedom in the labor sector, have resulted in a situation where no EU company founded…

I don't agree with the notion that the existence of a few mega-corps is a useful metric. Of course the US is the more free market, and allows those oligopolies to exist. The EU would have split up those companies years ago.

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Post by Propelloni »

Sayrus wrote: post #21
immibis wrote: post #6

I wish I was for the life of me any good as a businessperson right now. No, developers are not good at business. There seems to be a huge opportunity here, since everything in the cloud computing category are plain old server hosts, nothing like "real clouds".

> There seems to be a huge opportunity here, since everything in the cloud computing category are plain old server hosts, nothing like "real clouds". I don't know for all options in the category but Scaleway offers a viable alternative to EC2, EBS, Lambda, S3, EKS, ECR, CloudFront and many more (although IAM is still lacking depth). OVHCloud also has a Public Cloud offer than differ from their baremetal offer (the pl…

The large ITC providers also have offerings, e.g. Open Telekom Cloud, but they are targeting large industrial enterprises, not your plucky webapp.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by briandear »

Yeul wrote: post #142
zwnow wrote: post #130

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Its always the farmers fault... Like it was in Germany back in the day. Keep people uneducated, dont support the poor and then act like you will solve these issues, its conservative 101

Seems to me America is a pretty shitty country to live in if you're not rich so I am not too mad that they protest vote for Trump. Ofcourse in Europe we learned that socialism improves the lives of the proletariat not national socialism.

Here’s a counterpoint:

https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-ric...

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by deadlydose »

tossandthrow wrote: post #119
pandemic_region wrote: post #107

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Not sure why you are being downvoted so harshly. A bit less globalism in terms of shipping consumer products across the world isn't such a bad thing. Continents becoming more self sustainable and consuming the products they can produce, only importing those things that it really needs. Advocados are not mandatory in our diet.

The down votes are due to the persons inappropriate snarkiness and complete lack of awareness. The current trade war is initiated by the US, why it is interesting how EU consumers react to that. This is akin to me hitting you in the face, then you hitting me back - and then I could ponder how you would feel about being hit in the face and how that could teach you a lesson - well, I just saw what happens when I hit yo…

> initiated by the US

While I don't approve, didn't the EU charge the US tariffs that were twice as high as what the US charged the EU?

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by csomar »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products.

Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves.

That being said, increased spending doesn't necessarily guarantee results.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by ETH_start »

wasmitnetzen wrote: post #181
ETH_start wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is of course much more market-based than the Soviet Union, but the analogy is not totally without merit. Legislation like General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the Digital Markets Act (DMA), the Digital Services Act (DSA), and the Forestry Regulation, as well as heavy tax burdens and expansive restrictions on contracting freedom in the labor sector, have resulted in a situation where no EU company founded…

I don't agree with the notion that the existence of a few mega-corps is a useful metric. Of course the US is the more free market, and allows those oligopolies to exist. The EU would have split up those companies years ago.

The US economy is now 50% larger than the EU's, as a result of this market freedom and enterprise growth.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

flohofwoe wrote: post #83
pjmlp wrote: post #22

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Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.

...I've only ever seen Fritz-Kola as a Berlin phenomenon tbh. There are some other regional brands though (e.g. in the Eastern German parts you're likely to see Vita Cola next to Coca Cola - completely different taste though).

I used to see it in Irma in Denmark.

One of the Colas that tastes good enough to replace Coke in my experience.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by ETH_start »

sofixa wrote: post #168
ETH_start wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is of course much more market-based than the Soviet Union, but the analogy is not totally without merit. Legislation like General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the Digital Markets Act (DMA), the Digital Services Act (DSA), and the Forestry Regulation, as well as heavy tax burdens and expansive restrictions on contracting freedom in the labor sector, have resulted in a situation where no EU company founded…

How is any of that even remotely relevant to a comparison with the Soviet Union? EU companies aren't as overvalued/massive as US ones... and what does that have to do with the USSR?

It's not just about market valuations. That's just a proxy of overall productivity, where the US now has a 50% advantage over the EU.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by phtrivier »

rsynnott wrote: post #85
phtrivier wrote: post #49

The very interesting question will then be : how many people _do_ switch ? For the personnal tools, people have lots of leeway (change mail provider, search engine, ai chatbot, etc...) For the enterprise, I really wonder how you defend a "let's migrate our infra from AWS to X" in general, even for technological reason or business reason ; I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but…

> I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but let's switch for political reasons" Some companies may see it as "let's switch for continuity-of-business reasons", not political reasons as such. Things may get worse over the next few years. Amazon is not spending billions on https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/europe-digital-sovereignty... for _fun_; even before ol' minihands's return,…

To be clear, I don't mean that there is no good reason to have such a conversation. I'm just really curious how you can't start it ; in the middle of the millions of things that your average company has to do, how do you knock on your bosses's door and tell them: "hey, you know that "cloud" thing that you have no idea how it works, but our whole business depend on ?

We're using the same as everyone else; but we're not sure we can trust US cloud anymore, so we want to try an unknown company from country-you-can't-place-on-a-map-either.

We'll have to spend several months of engineering and incurr tens of thousands of dollars of extra licenses to try and migrate our infra.

We have no way to be sure it will work.

And it will make no discernable difference to our customers.

We have to start on Monday, so that we can be ready in time for next US presidential blunder.

Which project do we cancel ?"

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Post by ohgr »

pjc50 wrote: post #179
ohgr wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No we weren't really to start with. What happened was a lot of European business executives worked out the best retirement plan for them was to either sell off our industry or subcontract everything out. I worked for two companies in succession that were sold out to US defence ownership. Now their successors, who have been hoping that there isn't a tough discussion coming up, are now edging around that it was a terri…

> US subsidiaries in Europe which have staff in an uncertain situation Keeping an eye on this myself, as a Brit working in the UK for a US chip company; I'm wondering when the right moment to pull my RSUs from the US brokerage account and back across the Atlantic is.

Yeah good idea. UK here working for a US company (different sector). Already pulled out my US investments and rode Rheinmetall, BAE and TSLQ hard.
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