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You could host it in Mexico or Canada, they're pretty nice!
Aren't there still violent conflicts with drug gangs where citizens are killed still going on in Mexico?
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Oh so you mean it wasn’t used that way in a historical context? Got it.
no I was explaining what understanding in historic context means. edit: ...also I didn't know it was even used this way, back then, see my TIL reply in some "cousin" comment.
If by "back then", you mean 2010, then yeah.
But if you still mean that the specific term "wellness farm" COULD have been used as a euphemism for concentration camps (regardless of whether or not it ever was), then what's the point? Like people also COULD have used the term "suburb" as euphemism for a concentration camp. Should we also be skeptical of anyone who says they want to build suburbs? What's even the point of of saying that a term COULD have been used as euphemism historically?
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wow. TIL.
Good for you! If only things like this were taught in schools so that by the time people find Hacker News, they'd already know about them. We would be having entirely different conversations.
Seems like a waste to update the curricula every few years to include, for example, some random lady who published a holocasut denail book in 2010 as referenced in that source. Doesn't seem very useful pedagogically!
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#185Reminds me of [1] from 2013, and [2][3] from 2017. This is not new at all, just affecting more people, and more importantly, more Western people now. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientist... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 Clarification: the “not new” part is foreign attendees not being able to attend conferences in the U.S…
Getting a visa to travel to conferences was one of the major blockers for non-EU citizens during my studies. It was heartbreaking to see people work for years on a subject, finally get accepted to a top conference, and then not be able to go and present just because the visa was impossible to get in time or was simply refused.
However, these cases were rejections of visa. And even Stenberg's case was about being denied entry, not arbitrary detainment and torture like we see now. IMHO this wave of cases is a change in quantity that results in a change of quality already. But the quality of the rejection/detainment has changed as well.
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Why?
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This is a 20 year old article and no we don't have "nazis kill foreigners with some regularity". Yes hate-crime happens, but you make it sound like an active war zone where you have to be afraid of your life if you are "foreign" looking.
I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not after that fact, or any euphemism - this is the exact way the regime tried to pass them off at the time. Germany called the concentration camps luxurious places to hangout and learn skills and rehabilitate, with post office, frequent movie screenings, a swimming pool, nice beds. The reality was much different as we know. They did have a small pool on the grounds for show. https://www.splcenter.org/resources/…
Your source for this is an article that takes down a description from a book that was written in 2010. Not sure if you quite caught that on your thorough reading of it.
I just wanted to find some supporting information, what I know about this I know from visiting the camp myself so I didn't have an amazing source at hand.
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#188As the current US administration is breaching the ietf's own code of conduct [1] this should be a no brainer. [1] https://www.ietf.org/administration/policies-procedures/code...
It should, but there is, understandably, a lot of inertia and disbelief that this is the new status quo. That, and obviously, as the pamflet points out, a lot of people assume that this won't happen to them.
And let's be honest, a lot of people do indeed feel that this will only happen to people who make mistakes in their visa application (knowingly or not), have tattoos (or travel with tattooing gear), participate in any form of activism, are transgender or otherwise queer, or any other reason not applicable to conservative/right-leaning, white, middle class or higher, educated white collar workers. Some people are quite comfortable with all this (I won't bother pointing out the historical parallels), and it does come down to privilege and having an approved political mindset.
And here's the really nasty thing: if you point this out, you run the risk of sounding exactly like the 'woke' bogeymen this administration is 'fighting'. Language and the imagery invoked have been hijacked to a fascinating but troubling degree.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
wow. TIL.
Good for you! If only things like this were taught in schools so that by the time people find Hacker News, they'd already know about them. We would be having entirely different conversations.
this gets me the wrong way. see, I live in Nuremberg, Germany. I went to school here, "higher education". I've learned a lot about fascism, how it lured voters into electing them, how they grabbed and secured power, how they introduced concentration camps ("animal protection" legislation, prohibiting kosher butchering, introduced the camps as punishment for those insisting on kosher law. twisted)
I've visited two concentration camp memorials, with their cynical writing at the gate.
I've read the Auschwitz documents edited by 2001 Verlag. I've watched the Holocaust movie series of the 1970s (way to early)
nonetheless, I was not aware of concentration camps being labeled as recreational leisure camps of some sort by the nazis.
my point being: it was no lack of education to not know that additional aspect of systematic brain sick evil.
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95% of the world's countries inspect your phone at the border for messages critical of the government?
I've travelled several times to the US and never had that issue. Is really a thing? However our company issues specific laptops and phones before travelling to China as they do get searched.
I think this is what they are referring to: "French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found" [1][2]
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-f... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43418059