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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by archagon »

boznz wrote: post #18

Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

In fact, Elon Musk is the source of the hatred. He can’t seem to go a day without amplifying weird depraved shit like “Hitler was actually a commie” and “recipients of benefits are part of the parasite class” that makes people shudder with disgust. Plus the whole illegally dismantling our federal government thing.

Maybe Tesla should change that.

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Post by outer_web »

mrangle wrote: post #137
n4r9 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spray painting Teslas is not "violence against civilians". Even setting fire to them in a showroom is debatable if it's at night when no one's about.

It is terrorism, indisputably. Arguing other point is relatively inconsequential. But if we were to argue the point, to argue that spray-paint isn't "violence" isn't going to have much credibility when it's perceived to be from the long standing "words are violence" and "silence is violence" crowd. A selective standard is no standard at all. How the spray paint differs is that it is property destruction in service of…

We need a new word then, for hijacking planes and driving explosives-laden boats into tankers.

Any ideas?

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by outer_web »

milesrout wrote: post #92
lovich wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? With how our society is set up, you are suggesting not holding any political viewpoints or preferences. I had a whole diatribe typed up that I deleted because I realized I cannot actually empathize or have a theory of mind for how you could think this was an acceptable way to live life. Do you silo every interaction you have with every…

He is suggesting the opposite. Attacking every company run by someone you disagree with politically is a recipe for not being able to participate in society in any meaningful way. Musk's views are quite normal and are shared by people involved in every company and institution out there. Are you going to boycott them all? These boycotts only work as isolated, selective outrage. It is the same with countries. If you wa…

Absolutely, it is impossible to draw a line based on, say how evil the person is or how much they are trying to spread the evil. Because anyone can be evil, we simply cannot take action against anyone!

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by milesrout »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #119
milesrout wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Let me offer something between your sarcasm and 'Nazi': he retweeted Holocaust denialism (specifically, doubting the fatality numbers).

He did not doubt fatality numbers, he made the point that one man cannot kill millions alone. It is something that requires the resources of a state. One man didn't kill millions, the state apparatus of Nazi Germany did.

There were numerous pogroms of Jews in European history but they pale in comparison to the Holocaust because it was the policy of an advanced, centralised, bureaucratic state.

Whether you support a big state or not, one undeniable fact about them is that they are highly capable. That capability can be used to do evil. cf. The US federal government of the 1890s, for example, was institutionally incapable of genocide.

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Post by mathgeek »

happytoexplain wrote: post #115
mathgeek wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean to respond to another comment? You’re in the thread about vandalizing left-leaning Tesla owners.

It's obviously being offered as justification for the anti-Tesla behavior (using the context of the GP in a tongue-in-cheek way). You may reasonably disagree, but the message wasn't unclear.

Was not obvious but could be inferred, which is why I asked. There were a few adjacent threads it made more sense in.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

drooby wrote: post #30
boznz wrote: post #18

Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

The whole point is new buyers.. People are protesting Musk. Something like 75% of Musk's current wealth comes from Tesla stock. Tesla stock is going down.. so it is helping the cause

What makes you think Elon cares about wealth?

He's been telling about Mars for _2 decades_ and people somehow think he's a nazi about to pull off ethnic cleansing.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by dzhiurgis »

saturn8601 wrote: post #138
powersnail wrote: post #102

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> It's scorched earth and is not limited to new buyers. This whole thing is about destroying already bought vehicles to intimidate potential new buyers, and thus lowering future sales. Not that I support the vandalism, but I think that's the kind of logic they are applying here.

Build quality is so bad, those old cars will destroy themselves. Wonder how many of the original 2018 model 3 are still on the road. The other day I saw a comment chastising a person complaining about their 120k Model 3 battery failing and how its already at end of life. I was gobsmacked. I also see reports of some Tesla making it to 500k miles. Honestly there is so much nonsense on both sides and you can't even trus…

You probably wanna read up on recent Toyota fiasco (100k engines recalled because they are self destroying).

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by sadteslaowner »

azakai wrote: post #171
sadteslaowner wrote: post #110

I have a financed Tesla that hasn't driven enough miles to offset the embodied carbon (we're a one car family who walks wherever we can). I'd love to get rid of it because as I'm mad about Musk and Trump, and I'm really afraid someone will protest while my 2 year old is in the car, putting him at risk. If I sell— and it's a terrible financial decision (laid off in the fall)—I will assuage some of my fears and worries…

Why would selling cause more carbon in the atmosphere? I suppose it might if you replace with a non-EV, but there are plenty of good EVs.

Needlessly replacing a working item is over consumption. An EV has much more embodied carbon compared to an ICE vehicle and needs 20,000 miles to "break even." I'm likely 2 years away from that given our driving habits.

You could argue that the next driver will pick up the slack for me, but I can't guarantee that to be the case.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by cosmicgadget »

milesrout wrote: post #184
cosmicgadget wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me offer something between your sarcasm and 'Nazi': he retweeted Holocaust denialism (specifically, doubting the fatality numbers).

He did not doubt fatality numbers, he made the point that one man cannot kill millions alone. It is something that requires the resources of a state. One man didn't kill millions, the state apparatus of Nazi Germany did. There were numerous pogroms of Jews in European history but they pale in comparison to the Holocaust because it was the policy of an advanced, centralised, bureaucratic state. Whether you support a b…

So I wasn't referring to the recent tweets about public servants perpetrating the Holocaust. I was referring to the incident from late 2023 where he replied "this is the actual truth" to someone who posted that Jewish communities are trying to create divisions in society. It was quickly discovered that the person he replied to had posted plenty of Holocaust denial material - specifically about fatalities. I misremembered the actual tweet that Elon promoted. One could make the argument that he was making a very narrow point, recklessly doing no diligence on who he chose to amplify. He did follow it with an apology tour though.
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