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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by wkat4242 »

unmole wrote: post #168
wkat4242 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! I run Firefox on Linux and I constantly get captcha'd everywhere (by that typical cloudflare loading page) because I'm not part of the 95% that runs Windows or Mac. Cloudflare is an awful thing for the internet.

I run Firefox on Linux and I rarely encounter Cloudflare captchas.

Strange, I get them so much.

It might be because I tweaked my user agent. I had to do this, because Microsoft is being obstinate and disabling a lot of M365 features if you're on Firefox on Linux. When I set my UA to Edge it suddenly works totally fine. I'm just a bit stuck with M365 due to my work, unfortunately.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by wkat4242 »

SSLy wrote: post #173
unmole wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run Firefox on Linux and I rarely encounter Cloudflare captchas.

cloudflare seethes at firefox users that have strict tracking protections enabled. OTOH it's still much less violent than hCaptcha or google. Especially if you install their PoW pass extension.

Ahhh and yes, I have this too. Not only the Firefox tracking protection but also uBlock origin with all the lists enabled (and some custom ones too).

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by bamboozled »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #141
pzo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he mentioned also Quad9 - Cloudflare DNS replacement. I didn't know about and will probably switch to it. My other picks: SEARCH: qwant (france) LLM: mistral (france), librechat.ai, openwebui VPN: mullvad (sweden), protonVPN (swiss) AUTH: OpenID (sadly seems like not many sevices implement it) CLOUD: Hetzner (germany), OVHCloud (france) MAPS: here wego, openstreetmap EMAIL: protonMail (swiss), fastmail (australia) DN…

Yes, but nobody competes with AWS, Azure or GCP, everything else is easy. And most likely, most of the services/saas you mentionned relies on "US" cloud infrastructure.

How do you think all these massive companies will successfully continue to operate in a country where the rule of law is no longer respected?

Like I understand how that might sound like hyperbole, but everything I'm reading seems to indicate the USA is on an express train to hackville.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by belgiandudette »

piokoch wrote: post #105
Sander_Marechal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perfect is the enemy of good. The EU has it's flaws, but if you can't see the difference between the US privacy climate and the EU privacy climate then you need a reality check.

Yup, in the USA you can still have VPN server that is not storing logs, something that is simply illegal in European Union countries. In the USA you can purchase prepaid SIM card in Wallmart with cash, put it in your phone and you have anonymous phone number, again, this is illegal in Europe in a typical stupid European way, as any criminal who needs an anonymous card would pull in to the retailer some drunk or homel…

I have a few traveler esims from Europe. I didn't need to show any ID and I paid cash.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by anonzzzies »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #98

I would like to see a movement more along the lines of "Moving away from cloud services", not just US services. Our computers are faster than ever, internet bandwidth is not a problem, public IPs affordable. Why not self host when possible?

Yep, I just finished moving most of my stuff to a bunch of small (but stupidly powerful) machines in my and my parents house. They sync and work very well. It's a nice feeling, finally everything is hosted and backed up and in my own hands. Of coourse, this is not for business, although I would have no issues hosting small busness on here; it's more robust than most single vps solutions.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by m000 »

frereubu wrote: post #58

> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeawa…

> It feels like there's a real opportunity here for European companies to step up and make a big play, but will they?

Or for the EC to stop their "rearm" BS, and actually do something useful for the people by helping such companies. This is the real battleground for European independence and freedom.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

cbg0 wrote: post #76
drstewart wrote: post #10

>At the very least, think twice before signing up for new US services. Consider European services instead. To be clear, this Europe? https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/euro...

Pretty much every country has interests groups trying to push backdoors into end-to-end encrypted services, what's your point?

Not everybody's chief has a nickname "Zensursula" (German word for censorship ("Zensur") and her given name ("Ursula")).

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by addicted »

frereubu wrote: post #58

> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeawa…

> > Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. > This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this

He explains why he writes this, but this is an incredibly silly complaint because you can’t know what his expectations were.

> The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems.

Which the author had with Microsoft 365 as well. Considering reducing vendor lock in wasn’t a goal of what they were trying to do, it’s not clear why you’re even raising that point.

> The real takeaway from this is that it's currently impossible in any meaningful sense.

It’s not clear how you got to this conclusion in any way whatsoever. In fact, this is an entirely ridiculous assertion.

Essentially your entire comment is “the author didn’t aim to do what I wanted them to aim to do therefore the author is wrong”.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by reacharavindh »

I was thinking about it today, I could think of an equivalent for EC2, S3, Software defined networking, archival, load balancers etc. But, one thing I could not easily come up with a replacement for is IAM. What would be an equivalent to IAM that a smallish cloud provider could use without building it from scratch?

A system that provides roles, policies and granular permissions that can be attached to specific resources like the equivalent of S3 buckets, equivalent of EC3 VMs etc.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by Lutger »

justmarc wrote: post #129

Very well written and justified. At the end almost everything in life is about interests. It's clearly in the best interests of one country, or union of countries, to do their thing and reduce reliance on others.

Reducing reliance on others is primarily risk mitigation, which is increasingly perceived as necessary due to the rise of authoritarianism and wars, in western democracies at least. However, it is quite a sub-optimal solution, and in some cases very costly or close to impossible. It will almost always reduce economic growth, sometimes quite severely.

It would be in the best interests of any one country or group of countries to not have the threats which we think we must de-risk in the first place. Free trade was the primary way we thought we could do that, or at least Europeans thought that was the way. We were wrong all these years. I admit I was one of them. I thought at some point in the near future we would collectively move past this thing called warfare. How naive.

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