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Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by beeflet »

gigatexal wrote: post #161
Terr_ wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As consumers it’s on us to make the right choices. Which involves more like this , so that consumers can recognize kinds of dissatisfaction and share that it exists, rightly or wrongly.

Exactly. Folks downvoting my comment are effectively saying “no I think everything thing should do everything. It has a CPU that can run MacOS then it should! Open up the os, let me do whatever I want. Let me impose my thoughts on a private company. Rawr!” When instead just don’t buy the iPad if that’s what you want. The MacBook Air is what you want. Or… adapt your computing to use the iPad as it was designed. The sp…

We live in a world where the production of computers is largely guided by economies of scale, so if a handful of big companies lock down their hardware (and they do) that reduces my options significantly.

Apple is one of the largest computer companies and sells some of the fastest hardware on the market, yet it's totally gimped by their market segmentation. That space could easily be occupied by a different kind of company.

iPads are a waste of silicon. Yes, I do know better than the consumer.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by trog »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #175
serbuvlad wrote: post #169

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Nah, it's just corporate greed on apple's part. They want to sell you both the MacBook and the iPad. Apple is the only major notebook manufacturer which still doesn't offer touch on any of their notebooks. Yes, Windows 8 was a failure, but Windows 10 and 11 are successful products and they are also built around touch + m&k. GNOME and KDE on Linux also support touch input. Take a look at this device: https://rog.asus.…

Windows 10/11 it's a shit show. The last good Windows was 8.1. And the last great Windows was 7.

> Windows 10/11 it's a shit show. The last good Windows was 8.1. And the last great Windows was 7.

Yeh I think there's this weird stigma that stuck after Windows 8 was a bit iffy but 8.1 was fine.

I preferred Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 (and MUCH preferred it to 11) because at least it still had all the old core Windows control panel stuff under the hood. Windows 10 feels like a way more awkward mismash of things because they seem to have simply just taken a bunch of stuff away.

The zillions of different UI paradigms smooshed together started in Win8 but Win10 is where they really seemed to pile it on.

Anyway, I'm not a Mac user. But I absolutely see why they want to keep touch interface separate from keyboard & mouse. It's hard.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by beeflet »

musicale wrote: post #131
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #124

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> If you're an artist who draws, I think they're serious computing devices. An artist who draws might consider iPads to be serious drawing devices.

That's high praise since it's basically what Apple was going for with the iPad, getting out of your way to let you focus on the task at hand.

the supreme art of software marketing is convice your users that even your bugs are features.

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Post by walterbell »

bruce511 wrote: post #143

>> Will we still have just three operating systems to choose from - of which only two are really suitable for a worker's desktop? Such an intriguing statement. Firstly there are at least 5 major operating systems in play (windows, MacOS, Linux, iOS and Android. ) Plus a lot of "minor" ones (BSD etc), and any number of tiny ones. But assuming he meant mainstream desktop machines, let's focus on Windows, Mac and Linux.…

> Or 5 tablets.

Two would be nice. Pixel (7) Tablet with GrapheneOS was a good start, but V2 was cancelled. Lenovo Yoga x86 is higher price tier.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by walterbell »

ggm wrote: post #100

Google Pixels are getting something akin to vm's and wsl. More than dex, but less than full visibility to all of the Android fs. Termux is a halfway house. It's said this will be better. Maybe iPad OS will do this too in the future? It feels like an air with a detachable keyboard is close.

> Maybe iPad OS will do this too in the future?

It did in the past, but OS support was removed. Hopefully it will return.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by walterbell »

booleandilemma wrote: post #88

iPads have always been this way, right? They're an appliance, and only a computer in the technical sense. Did the author just learn how to program and he wants a terminal now?

> Did the author just learn to program

He is the co-inventor of VRML (1994), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Pesce. Register bio says:

  Mark has worked in the technology industry since the late 1980s, and has contributed to all manner of products, from dial-up modems to 3D graphics including co-inventing VRML.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by bilekas »

“Hey why doesn’t this tablet designed for “pro” web browsing replace my workstation?”

I’ve actually seen this sentiment so much from apple “pro” users. They seem to think that because the os feel is similar that it should just work the same. It’s the equivalent of expecting a gaming laptop to perform as well as a PC.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by walterbell »

walterbell wrote: post #123
mullingitover wrote: post #104

"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

> iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work. Video conferencing work: iPad + Center Stage unmatched for portability, audio quality, integrated cellular modem. Writing work: iPad with hardware keyboard and single app mode for distraction-free writing, ergonomic screen mount. SSH work: iPad has unmatched HiDPI 4:3 screen real estate Video editing work: Lumafusion usability with M4 rendering speed, $30 on…

Why is this comment being downvoted?

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by guappa »

beeflet wrote: post #171
trog wrote: post #147

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Maybe they don't because they've seen what happens when Microsoft tried to build an OS that was both touch screen and mouse & keyboard.

It works pretty nicely on linux, you have "mobile" environments like phosh, KDE mobile and that are pretty seamless between handheld and docked "desktop" usage. They have support in app toolkits like gtk and qt for applications that change based on screen size to accommodate mobile users. It's pretty nice: https://tuxphones.com/convergent-linux-phone-apps/ The reason why it didn't work for microsoft is because adobe,…

Windows doesn't have anything similar to kirigami.
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