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Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by ever1337 »

znpy wrote: post #149
svorakang wrote: post #95

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Well. I have worked quite a bit with Chinese businesses and let's just put like this: It does not matter much whatever license you think the SW or HW has. Whatever is available will be used and modified to the liking of the customer. It is common for new employees to walk in with code bases of previous projects they have worked with and there is a great deal of administration involved in ensuring that no one else get…

> It does not matter much whatever license you think the SW or HW has. Whatever is available will be used and modified to the liking of the customer. yeah, china is just not playing the stupid licensing and copyright game. chinese companies infringe trademarks and break licenses all the time. doing so boosts their business/economy overall so the state just doesn't bother with enforcing anything. the annoying thing is…

Bourgeois dictatorship vs leninist party state

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by hajile »

tgv wrote: post #46
daveguy wrote: post #32

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Both ARM and RISC-V are Reduced Instruction Set Compute (RISC) instead of Complex Instruction Set Compute (CISC aka x86) architectures. So it's more about the tooling that makes one better than the other. And like all open source, the tooling will be better over time as people and organizations recognize they get more back out of contributing to open systems.

That's way too optimistic. If it's like "all open source," it will have some improvements, forks and then nothing. There are only so many people who can contribute to chip development, and they all have jobs.

LLVM and GCC succeed because it’s cheaper to add support to a couple open tools than build your own competing compiler.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by ever1337 »

toxik wrote: post #139
Barrin92 wrote: post #117

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It's worth debating because China describes itself as such: http://en.moj.gov.cn/2024-03/05/c_967573.htm The Chinese would say the point of democracy is to translate the will of the people into action, it's to efficiently solve problems that people have, it's in their understanding neither liberal nor representative. In fact they'd likely turn your question around, if democracy is merely a set of procedures or ritual…

What absolute hogwash. Can you criticize and ridicule your government? No? Not a democracy.

Criticize to what end? Overturning the entire order? Questioning the legitimacy of the state? That is not allowed. But the ideological diversity within the CPC is broader than US Democrats and Republicans combined. And if you actually had a chance to challenge the real legitimacy of the US state, you would quickly find all your rights disappearing as well. No state actually tolerates that. The US just allows a facade of 'discourse'.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by ever1337 »

tntxtnt wrote: post #45
briandear wrote: post #29

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If the goal is to decouple from the U.S., why would the EU want to collaborate with a totalitarian state like China?

Because in spite of the west's propaganda, Xi is a good dictator. Singapore was/is also a totalitarian state yet many do business with it.

Xi is not all powerful; no one person is. The state is powerful, not an individual. And all states are ultimately authoritarian. The only question is what form and to what end.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by sylware »

dan_can_code wrote: post #127
sylware wrote: post #60

RISC-V is interop as the ISA level. No wonder EU and even china are moving towards this US standard.

Could you maybe explain this a bit more? I'd like to understand better what the value is.

https://riscv.org/about/faq/

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by chgs »

nis0s wrote: post #133
hagbard_c wrote: post #87

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Most authoritarian states are 'stable and predictable'. When you meet a lion on the savannah the beast is stable and predictable in that it will most likely try to eat you unless it isn't hungry. Step on a snake and the outcome is stable and predictable in that you will get bitten. It is good for Europe to learn to stand on its - our - own legs, to become less dependent on the USA for territorial defence and probably…

For secular and democratic nations, multiculturalism isn’t inherently dangerous if there are principles and ideals around which newcomers to any nation can assimilate and integrate. America attempted that to some degree of success with its melting pot ideals till the 90s, but there wasn’t enough emphasis on civic duty, from either the commoners or the elite. The US founding fathers included everyone in their vision,…

> The US founding fathers included everyone in their vision, btw

Of course many were only 3/5th included. And half the population weren’t included at all.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by preisschild »

wg0 wrote: post #81

It rather should be for general computing too starting with government office computers. Yeah they'll be slow but nothing can be slower than an x86 loaded with a Windows 11 or something on it.

Problem is in most schools here you only learn word-processing/data-entry on Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office...

So youd have to convince a lot of people to learn other tools

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by zamadatix »

hulitu wrote: post #59
tux1968 wrote: post #6

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https://milkv.io/duo Gives you something to play around with, very inexpensively. But really, virtual machines may be preferable; at least to get started.

> But really, virtual machines may be preferable; at least to get started. And what shall one emulate in a VM ? A nonexisting physical processor ? /s

"Virtual Machine" doesn't place restrictions on whether the guest's CPU is emulated or not despite "CPU virtualization" explicitly meaning "the instructions are not emulated". It's a bit wonky and I wish the terms had some more separation for clarifying exactly this case.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by ratatoskrt »

pipes wrote: post #115
ratatoskrt wrote: post #67

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This is it. China might be authoritarian, but it's acting way less eratic than the US right now.

"right now" being the key phrase here. On what length of time due you judge stability? The last 75 years or so in China... well amoung other things they killed over 50 million of their own people with a man made famine. The question is if the institutions that produced USA can hold. China on the other hand lacks the self correcting mechanisms that USA has built in.

I'm not disagreeing - I think it's important to see China as the undemocratic, illiberal, authoritarian regime that it is. And it is foolish to think that China is interested in a rule-based world order because they believe in the same values many key post-war figures in Europe and the US believed in.

It's that China's economy is heavily dependent on exports - and dependability and the appearance of stability is generally good for trade. Obviously, this is helped by political stability, which means less scope for the kind of outward-facing destructive populisms we see in the US or parts of Europe. But with China's economy in trouble, that might very well change.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by tehjoker »

toxik wrote: post #139
Barrin92 wrote: post #117

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It's worth debating because China describes itself as such: http://en.moj.gov.cn/2024-03/05/c_967573.htm The Chinese would say the point of democracy is to translate the will of the people into action, it's to efficiently solve problems that people have, it's in their understanding neither liberal nor representative. In fact they'd likely turn your question around, if democracy is merely a set of procedures or ritual…

What absolute hogwash. Can you criticize and ridicule your government? No? Not a democracy.

It depends on what kind of criticism. Criticism intended to overthrow the government? Maybe not. Criticism about various procedures and goals within the context of the socialist system, very much yes.
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