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The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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At this point, tech's major competitors are overseas. Never thought I'd be making this argument, but does breaking up the search monopoly help America or up and comers?

Let's not turn into game-theory bros here. Despite the nationalist, pie-dividing rhetoric the billionaires are foisting upon us, it remains favorable to grow the pie with competitive markets.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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If chrome is no longer owned by Google I'll use it. That's the reason I switched to firefox in the first place.

In my opinion Firefox is better in all the ways except speed - Chrome still feels faster on old computers. And I prefer the browser market to still have some technical diversity no matter who actually runs it.

Ever try installing chrome on an old operating system like Windows 7? It doesn't work but if already installed then much faster. Wonder upto what version works with win7

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Another perspective is Google is stifling American innovation by its megalithic presence in markets. Suppressing local growth in exchange for short term profitability. Separately, why is having tech giants a pure advantage? These companies got big by innovating, but the innovation slows down when they are big. Sounds to me that we should be regularly clearing old growth to let new ideas break through

Some things can only be done at scale, or are a side effect of solving problems at scale. It’s not quite so simple as “big is bad”. Also, it’s harder for international companies to buy, say, Google, than a browser-only company, just through the amount of capital needed to put up a credible offer.

But it also works vice versa. Remember that Google literally misses its own ChatGPT while key figures literally work at Google.

These trillion-dollar companies only focus on billion-dollar markets and kill their own products that are deemed unable to scale at a planetary level

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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If you look carefully at the Chromium project, it’s made up of teams that specialize in different components. The majority of the members of those teams are in turn Google employees. Presumably they have the best qualifications to be on those teams. I don’t see how a DOJ decision against Google would change any of that. Ban Google employees from participating in the project? And then who would replace them?

Firefox seems to do fine without Google employees.

Are they?

“When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.”

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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The suit started under the last Trump administration.

And then they did all that pathetic groveling to the Trump administration.

It may be sold to a Trump insider in the end. First crypto and now this.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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First I don't believe this is an effective remedy to break up a Google monopoly, but I have no influence on the DOJ. I'm curious though, if Google can no longer pay browsers for search engine traffic what is the business model that will sustain development and advancement in the space? How does a non Google owned Chrome support itself and continue development? What happens to all the applications that rely on Chrome…

You call them Chrome extensions, but they're really Chromium extensions that work on Edge, Opera, Brave, Vivaldi, Arc, etc. Those teams contribute code to the Chromium open source project too. Sure, whoever takes over Chrome won't have Googles juggernaut team pushing Chromium development forward, and maybe that will lead to degradation over time, but it's not like it would cause immediate ecosystem collapse. For all…

In the past, too many competing browsers resulted in a frustrating experience for web application developers.

Does Google have undue influence now? Sure. But I’m not so sanguine about the alternatives either.

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There is no foundation with the budget to even maintain a web browser, let alone keep developing. If Google is not footing the bill then Safari will become the torch bearer, and Apple has no incentive to make Safari become more capable to threaten that sweet IAP revenue.

Have there been meaningful changes to the browser spec since ES2015 support was baked in? Chrome, Safari etc. are not developing their browsers for the betterment of the web. One company wants to shove ads in your face, the other wants you out of the web entirely and into their walled garden of apps and ads. From a security standpoint, I'm sure it's more complicated, but UBO and warning dialog boxes about downloading…

Linux kernel gets so so much of corporate support, and is still a much more smaller project than any web browser. People's pro bono efforts stopped being enough for linux about 2 decades ago at the very least.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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All that rather pathetic grovelling and kowtowing to Trump, for naught.

The answer is quite simple, they just need to make a big announcement that they will be investing a few billions into something that will 'create well paying AMERICAN jobs', keypoint is that they need to let Trump announce it.

It doesn't matter if they actually go through with it or greatly inflate the number like OpenAI, Softbank and co did.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Google has to sell Chrome, a completely optional browser, and stop supporting Firefox, the best Chrome alternative, while Apple is allowed to completely lock down iOS without allowing installing alternatives to Safari, or any third party app stores. Not to mention that Apple for years exploited its dominant market position in the US by resisting messaging RCS Android compatibility, and pressuring teens into either bu…

The difference is pretty obvious, no? Google search and Chrome are genuine monopolies: they complete dominate their respective markets. Chrome decides which JS APIs and which other HTML extensions are available in all browsers. If Chrome implements it, all others follow or it is IE6-style "this only works in Chrome" for everyone. Notice that every browser's UI has followed Chrome. Every browser offers identical webextensions. Etc.

For Google search, the quality has gone down enormously and yet it has lost approximately 0 market share. It is still utterly dominant. This was used to push people to Chrome, and still is. It was used to dominate the web ads market. And so on: market power used to increase market power in other markets. Classic anticompetitive behaviour.

Apple doesn't have anything like a monopoly in any market. Even in the US, where their position is strongest relative to Android, it still isnt even close to a monopoly.

iOS isn't a monopoly so there is nothing wrong with it being locked down. It doesn't pressure "teens" into anything. Teenagers will pick up on anything they can to create peer pressure themselves. They would just say "lol nice loser android phone" when they saw the phone in person anyway lol.

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