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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#181

The American government has been compromised by Russia. It no longer represents American interests, but Russian interests. Whether the senior powers in America are compromised, complicit, or opportunist, it doesn't matter. America is being damaged. Russian interests are being prioritized over American interests. Our military is too powerful for direct conflict, so alternative conflict against our political structure…

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#183

I don't agree with the execution, but here's what I think this is what Trump is really trying to do: Right now, it's basically the US vs Russia and China. But what Trump is betting on is that it could be the US + EU + Russia vs China. In order for this to happen though, the EU must build their own military. The EU could and should be a superpower, but they're not. Instead they're living off the US military. The US ha…

Handy rule of thumb: Nobody plays 4d chess. Especially with Trump, what you see is what you get. He does not have a complex ulterior motive. He is capitulating to Russia because he thinks it will be better for himself personally.

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#185
What's really infuriating to me is the way in which members of the startup world -- people who claim to wear the mantle of creators and builders -- have actively supported this nonsense. A16Z, Founders Fund, Sequoia all talk a big game about America being the greatest nation on the planet, and then turn around and back this regime in a naked grab for power and money. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#186

Trump pardoned the January 6th rioters for the benefit of a certain segment of his supporter base. I have a feeling his childish humiliation of Zelensky is more of the same. It's no coincidence he dropped a "World War 3" reference, a common talking point of a certain segment of the online populist right (to be clear, this isn't to say some fear about such a scenario is unjustified; only to point out that it is cynica…

The "certain segment of his supporter base" is now completely managed by Russians in their information / cognitive domain.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#187
post #72

I wish the EU was more ... united. Most of the nations were woefully slow to act with Ukraine (hey let's send some token helmets). They've got a totalitarian regime invading democracies in their back yard but don't seem all that united about it ....

The EU was united, namely in not bothering to help Ukraine. The US decided to want to help Ukraine and send weapons and set the tone and (slow) pace of the weapons that they sent. Only for them to pull the rug away later anyway. This is really terrible leadership, leaders who don't care about the results that they cause are poison. You can argue all day that it's sad and terrible that the EU wouldn't have helped at all. But under Germany's leadership at least this farce wouldn't have played out. You can argue then that it might cause problems later because Russia would be emboldened by a quick win in Ukraine. Fine but this is better now?

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#188
Zelensky needs to step down for the sake of Ukraine and its people. He fails to grasp a critical reality: criticizing Trump is a mistake. Instead, he should focus on praising him—highlighting his intelligence, leadership, and appeal. More importantly, he must recognize that Ukraine’s survival depends on continued US support. Without the US, the country risks ceasing to exist.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#189
post #65

Shameful day for America where the President and VP two on one berate a visiting leader (guest even) who is fighting for his countries freedom against a totalitarian regime.

Absolutely an unimaginative & incorrect take and here's why:

1. The entire affair provides cover for continued operations against Russia without great power escalation. Hopefully Putin doubles down and loses even more military assets. If you don't understand this point take a day or two to think it through.

2. Ukraine cannot win (its objectives) this war without Western troops at some point & that's been clear since the start. US objectives have been met, with Russia unable to mount a conventional threat to Europe; with its hardware now discredited against Western weapons - much to the dismay of the Sino-Russia-Iranian axis; and with European underspending on defense & overreliance on Russian energy now reversing.

3. Get used to the new USA. We are going to very publicly assert our power and by doing so hopefully deter war in Asia.

Anyone who doesn't understand 1-3 needs to meditate on this and grow a pair.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#190

If you watch the video of the exchange, it was a complete setup. Zelensky was being very diplomatic when they started attacking him. Vance literally said he didn't need to visit Ukraine to see for himself because he "had seen videos". Zelensky was brought here specifically to be publicly humiliated on live TV. In 80 years, if we still have history books, this moment will be in them.

The Propaganda Minister is also decrying Zelenskyy on Twitter, on cue. Probably had the tweet written hours ago.
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