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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by entropi »

llm_trw wrote: post #167
JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #52

Companies have hijacked the open source concept to mean downloadable blob and we follow them as I see in the comments. It’s a real shame.

An llm isn't software any more than a matrix is. What do you think an open source matrix should look like?

A compiled executable is not any less software than the source code. But the point of open source code is not the ability to see the CPU instructions though, is it?

Its about reproducibility and modifiability. Compiled executables (and their licences) lack that. The same as these downloadable blobs.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by thephyber »

Hamuko wrote: post #149
rendang wrote: post #10

Grok has gotten to the top of one benchmark: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1891706264800936307 It's been said before but it is great news for consumers that there's so much competition in the LLM space. If it's hard for any one player to get daylight between them & the 2nd best alternative, hopefully that means one monopolistic firm isn't going to be sucking up all the value created by these things

> It's been said before but it is great news for consumers that there's so much competition in the LLM space. Is it? Because it seems like a bunch of megacorps pirating every single copyrighted work available in digital format, spending an enormous amount of electricity (that is probably not 100% clean) to churn through them, and the end result we have a bunch of parrots that may or may not produce accurate results s…

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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by concordDance »

phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

Big emuse cases for me are:

1. Exploring a new domain and getting some terms I can google for.

2. Making small scripts to do things like query github's GraphQL API.

3. Autocomplete of code using copilot.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

There are two answers to this.

Answer 1: Some people think that LLMs are a path to the singularity, a self-improving intelligent program that will vastly exceed human intelligence and will be able to increase its knowledge exponentially, quickly answering all answerable scientific questions.

Answer 2: LLM companies need to keep the hype train rolling. I didn't watch the whole clip; I jumped around a bit, but I noticed that every time Musk interjected something, it was to exaggerate what was previously said. "Grok contains the whole internet"—"the whole of human knowledge, actually!"

I think that both answer 1 and answer 2 apply to Musk. He seems to believe that they're building a god-like entity, and he also needs to keep the money train rolling.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by rvnx »

kubb wrote: post #180
lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

You don’t understand the Musk business model. It has been the same for years. His wealth doesn’t come from his products, but from his fanbase buying his stock. The purpose of everything he does is to influence the public opinion to make him the tech genius of today in the collective psyche. Of course, he needs to do impressive things, stuff that a normal person wouldn’t have the resources to achieve. It’s similar to…

There is an exception: Tesla FSD (the US version, not the horrible EU version) this is rather cool and impressive, and unbeaten in the market for now.

Though free and open-source solutions are not that bad like https://github.com/ApolloAuto/apollo

But the build quality of a Tesla car itself, omg. It feels like a carton box with an amazing battery.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by liampulles »

phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

I don't use it daily, and I find copilot counterproductive (for me). I do try to experiment with chatgpt when I remember to.

I find it good for complex SQL, reviewing emails, and Godot assistance (I'm a beginner game Dev).

There are also times when I have programming questions and I might try to use chatgpt, with mixed results.

Our company has tried to integrate it into one of our products, and I find it troubling how on occassion it is confidently giving bad results, but my concern seems to be in the minority.

EDIT: there was also a large refactor I did recently which involved lots of repeatable, but not super regexable, changes - chatgpt forgot where it was as I went through it, but other than working around that it was very useful.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by beeflet »

userbinator wrote: post #116
a-dub wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is correct. "open source" means everything required to recreate from scratch and improve. not "here's a massive binary, an interpreter script and permission."

How can you even "open source" an AI model without all of the, presumably copyrighted and extremely voluminous, training data?

That could probably be solved with bit-torrent. I think the bigger obstacle is the hardware required for training. Maybe it would be possible for groups of people to reproduce/train open source models with a distributed BOINC-like system?

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by l33tc0de »

kubb wrote: post #180
lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

You don’t understand the Musk business model. It has been the same for years. His wealth doesn’t come from his products, but from his fanbase buying his stock. The purpose of everything he does is to influence the public opinion to make him the tech genius of today in the collective psyche. Of course, he needs to do impressive things, stuff that a normal person wouldn’t have the resources to achieve. It’s similar to…

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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by Davidzheng »

lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

It's cringe but not so much more than deepmind's OG "solve intelligence then use it to solve everything else"
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