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A Year of Telepathy

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by andrewoneone »

misja111 wrote: post #164
SimianSci wrote: post #74

I very violently recoil from any of Musk's ventures these days. Im sure there are some very smart and talented people working at Neuralink. They should go work for someone else as their boss has shown himself to be a revolting person and the kind of leader who seeks to actively harm people who inconvenience him. This kind of behavior is not befitting of a company that will need to cultivate an incredible amount of tr…

Sadly it seems that the most visionary and successful CEO's tend to be a*holes to the people around them. Steve Jobs with his 'reality distortion field' comes to mind as well.

What's his vision though? (This isn't me being naive - it's more of me asking the reader of these comments to contemplate this)

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by lewispollard »

watwut wrote: post #113
SimianSci wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people mistakenly make a gesture, they dont do it once more exactly the same. And when people point out that they made this gesture their answer is usually not to crack jokes about how they made a Nazi salute in response. We can maybe disagree about WHY he did it, there's room to discuss if it was genuinely a white nationalism thing or if he was just being an edgelord. But it WAS a nazi salute and denying this i…

> it was genuinely a white nationalism thing or if he was just being an edgelord. Can we admit to ourselves that most edgelords are actually people infatuated with exact same movements and value systems? Literally all edgelords get angry and strongly dislike anyone left leaning. For example, you do not see them harassing right wing, but you do see them harassing perceived sjws. Somehow, there is no such thing as left…

> Somehow, there is no such thing as left wing edge lord.

I mean, I'm a pretty staunch socialist/commie and there are plenty of hard-left edgelords out there "joking" about gulags and executing academics and so on.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by ben_w »

tmnvdb wrote: post #132
ben_w wrote: post #93

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I disagree. I see the promise, but I've got too many real life examples of security issues to draw on to trust it would even keep working very long — let alone working appropriately and under my control — to allow one to control my body, which an implant would necessarily need to do. And that's even with 100% of the biological compatibility issues being solved (I'm told those take several years to show up in all the…

You seem awfully sure about what you would do but you again do not seem to have considered about what it is like to be fully paralyzed. Let me be clear, I understand the risks of these devices. But my impression is that you're having trouble emphathizing with people with such medical conditions and you're not really considering how it feels to live like that. In fact, you again spend your whole message talking about…

> In fact, you again spend your whole message talking about abstract considerations

No.

Not abstractions.

I have experience of software, I know how bad the entire industry is.

https://xkcd.com/2030/ applies to everything.

Even without malice, my degree used as case studies the failures of the Therac-25 and the digitalisation of the 1992 failure of the London Ambulance Service computerised dispatch system.

Hospitals and devices do get attacked. Bitcoin ransomware does affect hospitals. These are not abstractions, they are things that actually happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_device_hijack

I wasn't being "abstract" when I said the frequency with which attacks are attempted can be measured in Herz, that's an actual anecdote from someone I knew a decade ago.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by kvdveer »

llm_trw wrote: post #55
rezmason wrote: post #20

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As much as I like regaining autonomy, we should hold back those tears until a patient's implant outlasts a product cycle. I can't find the article to link to, but there's an ongoing issue with tech companies producing assistive devices or prosthetics and obsoleting them when the company pivots, gets bought or goes under. Corporate cyborg parts are an already-predicted nightmare, already taking place, unfolding in slo…

The simple solution is that all such devices must be submitted to a central government database and all blue prints, source code etc. will be released into the public domain is the company no longer supports the device or closes down.

I'm pretty confident that anything involving a central government database won't really fly under the current political climate. Definitely not in the US, but many other countries are bowing to US pressure to limit regulation.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by afpx »

andrewoneone wrote: post #181
misja111 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly it seems that the most visionary and successful CEO's tend to be a*holes to the people around them. Steve Jobs with his 'reality distortion field' comes to mind as well.

What's his vision though? (This isn't me being naive - it's more of me asking the reader of these comments to contemplate this)

Everyone connected to spacex via brain implant with him in control - i.e. the borg.

If the guy has demonstrated anything, it's that he wants total control.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by pcthrowaway »

SimianSci wrote: post #88
MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #77

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What is the problem with Musk? I know his many shenanigans, but what about his helmanship causes you to violently recoil?

I think it comes down to his personal conduct. Specifically, just as I said, I think he actively tries to harm people who might inconvenience him or cause him damage to his public image. In short, I see him as a bully. One of the great examples of this is the infamous "Pedo guy" incident in which he showed himself as very unempathetic and petty the moment people dismissed him as he attempted to hastily insert himself…

> There are plenty of examples of Elon regularly engaging in bullying of others who may not have access to the resources he does, its not just limited to these few examples.

As written about by Sam Harris recently and discussed in the (now dead) thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42716926

Musk is a terrible person, but also a deeply dishonest and selfish one.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by otikik »

andrewoneone wrote: post #181
misja111 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly it seems that the most visionary and successful CEO's tend to be a*holes to the people around them. Steve Jobs with his 'reality distortion field' comes to mind as well.

What's his vision though? (This isn't me being naive - it's more of me asking the reader of these comments to contemplate this)

Musk's vision is a big picture of himself.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by NikkiA »

andrewoneone wrote: post #181
misja111 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly it seems that the most visionary and successful CEO's tend to be a*holes to the people around them. Steve Jobs with his 'reality distortion field' comes to mind as well.

What's his vision though? (This isn't me being naive - it's more of me asking the reader of these comments to contemplate this)

Basically Bioshock's Rapture, but on Mars.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by swat535 »

SimianSci wrote: post #74

I very violently recoil from any of Musk's ventures these days. Im sure there are some very smart and talented people working at Neuralink. They should go work for someone else as their boss has shown himself to be a revolting person and the kind of leader who seeks to actively harm people who inconvenience him. This kind of behavior is not befitting of a company that will need to cultivate an incredible amount of tr…

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