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JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by tehbeard »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

Intellij is alright. Can't speak for Webstorm l.

Phpstorm ran out of chances I'll give it. Last three tries all went the same way, permanently stuck indexing a project and being an overdeveloped notepad.exe during that; when vscode and phpintelphense could go from cold boot to code assist in seconds on the same project.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by robertlagrant »

seanalltogether wrote: post #174
robertlagrant wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought a really good use of KMP would be in writing shared non-visual code, e.g. a library that interacts with your API(s) and any non-visual like that. Then paint a dumbish, platform-specific frontend over the top and link together.

As someone who has to manage native ios and android apps I thought this would be the perfect solution as well. I wanted to write all my data models, api calls, sql cache and business logic as a separate library written with kmp, but what i didn't like was that the ios framework that was generated was a black box with just objc headers. If it generated full swift code that i could inspect for correctness and tweak if…

That's interesting - I can sort of see it both ways. Would applying unit tests to the exposed functions not have sufficed?

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by smrtinsert »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

Agreed. VScode is fine for me as a markdown editor/log viewer/advanced text editor, but when its time to develop, I can't imagine doing without the IDEA Ultimate productivity boost.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by billfruit »

ernst_klim wrote: post #173
bayindirh wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately many new developers don't believe in powerful "power" tools anymore. They like to connect many small tools for an inferior experience and they just scoff at bigger tools for being "too complicated". I use another big tool which is around 20 years old, and that can do everything and a ton more from a single screen at the same speed or faster, with greater integration. Yet people don't touch it because it…

> Unfortunately many new developers don't believe in powerful "power" tools anymore. I have to use IntelliJ due to Kotlin codebase, but I'm still more of a fun of Emacs and I don't like Idea that much. I think IDEs somewhat lack the power that simpler tools have, which is automation. One thing I miss from IntelliJ is programmability. That's why I still use Emacs on workplace for anything outside of Kotlin (git, grepp…

There are things missing from Emacs too. Intelligent project and context aware auto-complete. Project wide search that works out of the box.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

Their tools are fantastic and worth the $$ and having worked in the profession for 25 years I have little patience for the variety of elitism I often encounter on jobs that goes along the line of: "I just use vim and (by implication) so should you."

JetBrains has always had issues with performance and slightly clunky UI. But in return there's just a pile of amazing refactoring and analysis tools that nobody else offers.

I pay for tools that make my job easier so I can concentrate on delivering. Working without RustRover or CLion is just unpleasant.

I have an emacs + LSP + Rustic etc configuration which does about 80% of what I can do with RustRover. But it's brittle, slow, and takes work to maintain. VSCode suffers from similar problems (not slow, but brittle and ergonomics are worse).

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by packetlost »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

I use RustRover for the excellent debugging and git experience, but quickly go back to neovim + rust-analyzer when I'm writing code, not debugging it.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by flir »

bayindirh wrote: post #134
rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

Unfortunately many new developers don't believe in powerful "power" tools anymore. They like to connect many small tools for an inferior experience and they just scoff at bigger tools for being "too complicated". I use another big tool which is around 20 years old, and that can do everything and a ton more from a single screen at the same speed or faster, with greater integration. Yet people don't touch it because it…

That's not a young/old axis, it's a loose/tight coupling axis.

(Thirty years in, still using IDEs as glorified text editors, still dropping to vim on a regular basis.)

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Post by MissTake »

Kuinox wrote: post #177
MissTake wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“objectively bad” No, it’s subjectively bad for you. It really grinds my gears when people use “objectively” when being objective is to deal purely in unbiased observable, repeatable facts. Your justification starts first with screen contrast - something that is truly in the eye of the beholder. Then you go on about “finger gymnastics” for shortcuts - again something that you (and yes I don’t disagree others as well)…

The amount of contrast can be measured. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/U... Due to the poor font rendering and colors picked in Rider, by default there is a contrast of 4.77 which is just meet the minimum ratio, and for an app you stare all the day at, it's not enough. From the firefox docs: > Having good color contrast on your site benefits all your users It's written all your users , it'…

“minimum ratio”

Which is what? Is it a well defined fact?

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Post by thesurlydev »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #130

Anyone wondering whether JetBrains IDEs are still worth it - absolute yes from me. VS code is a UX mess by comparison. Webstorm can be tricky to configure with Typescript but once it’s setup my goodness it’s good.

Yes. Absolutely. But with one caveat: JetBrains is clearly lagging behind in AI features and none of the 30+ LLM plugins come close to the killer feature of Codeium's Windsurf (Cascade). For this reason, I've been using both Windsurf and JetBrains in concert which is a pain but works for now.

I have high hopes for "Junie" but fear it's going to be a while before it's ready for prime time.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by smrtinsert »

brap wrote: post #112

>With Fleet you can collaborate on code in real time Genuine question - Does anyone actually do this? What for? I have been writing code for about 25 years and not once did I wish for someone else to start editing the same files I’m editing in real time. Yet, this seems like a huge selling point for some of these editors.

It was an experiment at one company I had for maybe 6 mo and failed miserably. Also a coder here for ~20 years. Code was slightly less error prone and slightly more predictable in LOE but productivity dropped massively. Most importantly all the developers hated it.
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