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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by necovek »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

General purpose computers and touchscreens are much cheaper than analog counterparts today.

Getting the software right is hard (and thus expensive), which is what traditional physical product companies have a hard time figuring out.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by caseyy »

viraptor wrote: post #83

How can we help people not get into those situations? At this point it's trivial to find information like: if you buy Tesla you've got a decent chance of issues; if you use PayPal as a seller there's a decent chance they'll take your money; if you use godaddy there's a chance they'll steal/ransom your domain on expiry; etc. It's all out there, yet people still give them money. How can this be stopped in the first pla…

Consumer protection laws. Almost every company has known issues with it. But consumers should have boundaries for what's acceptable and what crosses the line. And those boundaries are set by consumer protection laws.

If every wronged customer can sue the seller due to a clear breach of the law, then the seller/manufacturer quickly falls in line and stops being a nuisance to society.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by pitkali »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #118
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

I'm afraid a lot of the tech is either necessary by law or necessary to get a decent safety rating these days, so you can't make the simple cars from yesteryear. Now, screens aren't required by law or safety ratings, but there's no getting around having a lot of software in there, and thus a screen to configure all that stuff.

Sure, but a screen, even a touchscreen, is not mutually exclusive with buttons. My Toyota has both, and after setting up the navigation, I can go the whole way and do everything without touching the screen.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by roland35 »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

It all doesn't quite work well enough to justify all the new tech. My 7 year old car is pretty good, it has a small 8 inch screen which does car play/android auto and has nice buttons and dials for all controls. No distractions!

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by yreg »

> when you live in a European country where there is no Tesla you have to import your car from Holland (See NOTE).

> I estimate that the total import costs were slightly over 2000 EUR.

I live in Slovakia and bought a Model 3 in Slovenia. I rented transport plates in Slovakia, took a train to Ljubljana, stayed overnight, took delivery of the car in the morning and drove back to Slovakia.

It cost me maybe 150€ and I got a pleasant trip out of it. The car price in Slovenia was ~5k lower than Slovakia back then.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by p_l »

srockets wrote: post #10
buyucu wrote: post #6

if you are trying to but a tesla, then you have only yourself to blame when something goes wrong. tesla is (in)famous for customer service and quality issues.

Not that famous, as they used to (maybe still do? I don’t follow) force customers into an NDA in order to warranty fixes.

Early on (Model S being new) they used to do a lot of "hypercare" as some corps call it, short of white glove service, to keep customers happy and essentially advertising their brand.

I suspect a lot of reputation from then helped them paper over naysayers when they abandoned it with expansion

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by lostlogin »

4ndrewl wrote: post #34
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

"Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.” Agree. OP should have just bought a 10yo Corolla.

They just don’t die. My 16 year old one seemed end of life 10 years ago and when I holed the sump, I was resigned to getting it wrecked.

After driving it for a few months it didn’t die so I took it to a mechanic. I got told off for my dry sump technique and told not to do it again. It got a new pan and some oil, that was it. It’s done 5 or so years of light service since. It’s been stolen, carried masses of firewood, too many dogs and too much concrete.

Great car.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by lnsru »

h1fra wrote: post #147
lnsru wrote: post #76

I stoped reading when the writer admitted, that he bought a Tesla in a country without official dealership. Common sense tells me not to do this. That’s the situation when EU consumer laws start failing. That’s very brave, but not clever move at all!!! Having service center 300 miles away is too far. It’s not lot of statistics, but I know cases where guys needed replacement parts before new other brand car reached 50…

How is it related to having a car that basically doesn't work? When you buy something, you expect this thing to work, then, maybe in a few years, you will need to go to a dealership.

You know, when I buy brand new car I expect it not to work. Some adjustments must be made. As valid for BMW as for Tesla. Start with level of all lamps, angle of wiper arms, tire balance and silly wheel alignment. It’s enough to leave the factory, but mostly poor settings for daily driving. And since the car is under warranty I will not fix these by myself.
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