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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by roenxi »

frereubu wrote: post #153
roenxi wrote: post #144

An interesting problem with Kagi's basic model is that it ties up search history with an account in the financial system which adds failures not present when using something like Google or DuckDuckGo. But, since they accept Bitcoin, it is actually possible to wash the payment through a privacycoin and disassociate everything again. So there is a use case for crypto here that isn't obvious at first glance.

> Kagi does not log and associate searches with an account. https://kagi.com/privacy

Google: Don't be Evil. Although I'm having some trouble finding a reference on their website to back that up.

If you're going to start trusting search engine companies then maybe don't have them linked to your bank account. They can put what they like in a policy document but the problem is what happens when they decide to start doing things differently.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dgellow »

aacid wrote: post #113
icar wrote: post #95

I stopped using Kagi because the results in my native language are terrible. It's a pitty because Google is the only search engine good at it.

this. I tried so many times to run away from google but I have to come back every time because all search engines are extremely anglo-centric (or maybe rather US centric) and really don't care about other localizations.

German results are reasonable if I select Germany as a region

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

yellowapple wrote: post #78
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re in Australia? If anything like that happens again, or something like you purchase a second hand car but weren’t supplied the signed registration paper / no receipt… need a day off work due to illness but don’t want to pay to see a doctor / telehealth etc etc You can statutory declaration, a written statement you declare to be true, many professionals can witness them, teachers, dentists, vets, engineers, mostl…

> You’re in Australia? Negatory. USA.

The Anytime Fitness is everywhere

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by wiether »

gaazoh wrote: post #127

Kagi has popped up a couple of times here recently and looks interesting, but there are a few things keeping me from actually trying it out * I don't trust the product's claims. Sure, privacy and user-centered results sound cool, but literally every company on the internet claims to cater to the user and value their privacy. Kagi can apparently afford to be more specific than usual, but how binding is that? I don't k…

User-centered (Kagi) : they listen and take action on every user feedback[0], the results provided are based on user-defined rules and aims to be the ones that will convince users to keep their subscription going

Not user-centered (Google) : they don't give a dam about user feedback, the results provided are based on how much money they can bring to the company through ads/affiliations

[0]: https://kagifeedback.org/

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by wiether »

BossingAround wrote: post #124
wiether wrote: post #122

Kind of related: Audible offers the same thing, by reporting credits if you don't use them in the current month. But there's a catch: you can only "Report" 6 credits, after that, your unused credits are lost. A warning from someone who forgot to disable their subscription for 18 months before realizing what they lost.

Oh wow, thanks for this, had no idea there's a credit limit. More annoying to me is that you have to use up your credits before cancelling your sub. If you have credits and you cancel your sub, you lose the credits.

Yeah, once I discovered that, I basically bought the first six audibooks in my wishlist with the credits I had left and cancelled the subscription

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by stavros »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #150
BossingAround wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, it's insane to me that there's no law about this. If you're a subscription business and you see 0 activity on a paying customer for 60 days, you should be required to ask them whether they want to continue using your service (and no answer should result in service cancellation).

The immediate second order effect of such a law would be to raise subscription prices on everyone to account for this automatic churn. I would wager that most people who aren't watching their bills closely enough to notice they haven't actually used their Netflix account in a year aren't very price sensitive. They have money they are, by revealed preferences, willing to throw into the pot, which lowers the service co…

I'm not sure "it's fine to rip off people if they're rich" is a convincing argument.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by rckclmbr »

LoganDark wrote: post #140
ant6n wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno. The thing is, Kagi isn’t really that much better than Google. When they still had a free tier, I tried it every once in a while, and it quickly wastes a lot of searches even while just entering queries, and then the chance to find something better than Google is mediocre. Perhaps a prepaid model might make more sense, especially if it’s designed not to blow through queries quickly and transparent about how m…

According to my usage statistics, I use Kagi around 20-50 times a day. Date (UTC) AI Tokens Searches Feb 5, 2025 0 64 Feb 4, 2025 0 43 Feb 3, 2025 0 19 Feb 2, 2025 0 24 Feb 1, 2025 0 19 They don't seem to track any form of history, only the number of searches (since some of their plans have a quota). I pay for unlimited searches, but the stats are still interesting :)

Similar stats for me. It’s become an invaluable tool, sometimes I’ll use another browser that’s has Google as default and immediately notice how much worse it is — all the ads, irrelevant cards, etc. Kagi is like the way Google was 10 years ago, which is MUCH better… with the benefit of more personalization

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by mbix77 »

I will never support the Russian invaders. I will happily subscribe to your service if you drop Yandex. Until then, hell no.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dizhn »

frereubu wrote: post #153
roenxi wrote: post #144

An interesting problem with Kagi's basic model is that it ties up search history with an account in the financial system which adds failures not present when using something like Google or DuckDuckGo. But, since they accept Bitcoin, it is actually possible to wash the payment through a privacycoin and disassociate everything again. So there is a use case for crypto here that isn't obvious at first glance.

> Kagi does not log and associate searches with an account. https://kagi.com/privacy

Real privacy oriented solutions REMOVE their ABILITY to keep your data. This is the reason I will probably never use Kagi. I am not logging into a search engine. Period. (I know this is futile,but it's the principle of the thing. And I don't want this to be more commonplace than it already is.)

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by bux93 »

Shorn wrote: post #27

No good. Not fair. I put money into the account, you bill me per search - pre-paid usage based billing is the only way this can ever be "fair".

A sliding scale would make sense. Don't use it? Don't pay anything. Fewer than x searches? Pay Y per search. More than z searches? Pay z * y for unlimited use.

I suspect this would also work great for streaming services, like HBO or Netflix. Rather than paying for unlimited use on 6 platforms OR spend fortunes on pay-per-view on yet another platform, just reward your most loyal customers but keep the door open for incidental users.

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