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Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by gadders »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #117
dh2022 wrote: post #95

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What you wrote is very interesting (and intriguing). What readings would you recommend?

Not the previous commenter, but I would recommend Hiding In Plain Sight, by Sarah Kendzior. It centers on Donald Trump, but covers in great detail what is publicly known about the seedy history of the people in his orbit, including Epstein, and it calls into question how the people in power in the political, business, and media worlds have left so many questions go unanswered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiding_in_…

I think Biden sniffing every kid he could get his hands on qualifies as "hiding in plain sight".

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by XorNot »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #180
XorNot wrote: post #171

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You're hoping for a salacious answer. But the real answer is going to be "because declassifying stuff is a time consuming pain in the ass, and no one could be bothered for the file which covered correct letterhead formatting for internal correspondence which technically got sucked into the system 50 years ago and now it's difficult to figure out that that was all it was". JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden.…

> JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden. No one cares because there's nothing in it. A post about it is trending on HN so saying "no one cares" is a dismissal about the interest on this topic. Your very contribution to the post ironically contradicts the content of your message

A post is trending about the declassification which hasn't actually happened yet. It's not trending about the content of the documents, or even discussing previous documents, in fact no one is even discussing what was in the previous thousands of pages of declassified material.

People care about the idea of the story, not the reality.

JFK investigation documents have been declassified repeatedly, and no one even has any common reference points they bring up about them because ultimately there's nothing there. So this is just the new fantasy: "now, NOW! They'll totally declassify the memo ordering the CIA hit on JFK using mob money and then framing Oswald for it! They've had it the whole time!"

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by ithkuil »

XorNot wrote: post #171
ithkuil wrote: post #165

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Honest question: why weren't they declassified earlier?

You're hoping for a salacious answer. But the real answer is going to be "because declassifying stuff is a time consuming pain in the ass, and no one could be bothered for the file which covered correct letterhead formatting for internal correspondence which technically got sucked into the system 50 years ago and now it's difficult to figure out that that was all it was". JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden.…

> You're hoping for a salacious answer.

no I don't. I literally said it was a honest question. I truly just want to know more about the underlying mechanisms of why governments classify and declassify things because I don't know much about that.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by throwaway48476 »

1945 wrote: post #159
kodt wrote: post #151

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He is known to be a womanizer and to have used his fame to sleep with women, and may have fathered some illegitimate children. But the most damning is that apparently the FBI has an audio recording of him laughing and even giving encouragement while another man rapes a woman in a hotel room.

The same FBI that sent him anonymous letters, trying to encourage MLK to choose suicide?

It's hard to blackmail someone with false information. That's why Hoover was spying and digging up dirt.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by rayiner »

kelnos wrote: post #137
ggm wrote: post #134

The dinner menu and guest list for royal functions over 100 years ago was (and may still be) redacted by the state in the UK. Sometimes, secrets are not really about very much. I am personally more interested in the MLK data than the JFK data because flawed though they were, the many eyes on that prize didn't find even the scent of a smoking gun worth much. If it had been the other side of the Iron curtain, by now th…

> The release is not just a mechanistic "I am a man of my word" moment, its a distraction from the everyday events. Excellent point that I hadn't considered. We're already flooded with executive orders and news of Musk's capricious wrecking ball. Ultimately who killed JFK or MLK doesn't matter all that much today, except as a matter of historical accuracy. But it's something that people will certainly talk about, dis…

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Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by ben_w »

practice9 wrote: post #178
3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #125

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Depending on what remains, it may be possible to unblind the redacted names by considering the sum total of evidence. For example, these 10 people in the room all would have given testimony, but we only have nine statements with attached names. Who could this 10th unnamed persona be? Far easier to just keep the entire thing redacted.

With LLMs that even might be automated

Constraint solvers would be a better choice, IMO.

LLMs may help convert the text into a form for the constraint solvers, but they're not the tool I'd use for actually connecting the dots.

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